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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 am 
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Didnt the indigenous elders put a curse on the carlton footy club a few years ago?
have we ever had it lifted.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:19 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
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Menzel will be handy


..agree, but handy isn't enough,, and not what we needed.. ..it's not as if some outside pace and skill and fwd threat was lacking on our list.. ..and these kinds of flashy flankers as good as they are, need to play in a meat and potatoes team to get the very best out of them..


Obviously it's early days with Menzel. But if he can get his fitness up and stay healthy, he'd be a fair chance of giving us a potential replacement for Walker up forward in that medium forward role. This would allow Walker, probably our best option at the moment against small forwards, to play in defence.

Got to say I've been a bit disappointed in Armfield's start to the year. He's played some really good football as a small defender in the past. Expected better from him on the weekend.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:37 am 
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DenimUndies wrote:
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It amazes me how well most are taking a loss not only one loss but two losses from the first two rounds of the year. Not only two losses but justifying the losses from two teams we beat and beat quite comprehensively last year. Yes we also lost to Port and GC so I would assume that a loss to these sides will also be justified and excused because we are learning a new game plan and it’s a hard initiation into the year.
Yes we will start winning but again but against the lower end teams(soft games) that we beat last year but we are not improving if we don’t beat the teams that we are not expected to win against and going backwards when we lose to inferior teams like Richmond.
Should we rationalize the losses by different criteria because we had Ratten as coach and not Malthouse. Or the fact that it takes time for a new game plan for the players to come accustom too even though I haven’t seen anything new as far as structures or game plan that differs from last year.
Last year it was Rattens influence and coaching that destabilized our playing group and now Malthouse needs to come in and educate these players into playing a game of footy that has seen them selected as a chosen few who play the game. This must be the reason we need to pay him over 1 million over 3 years because it’s going to take him that long to assess, evaluate and reprogram all the mistakes Ratten made.
Please some people are just politicians and some just buy into the spin.


All good and well, but your reasoning is founded on the comparative basis that the teams we beat last year and lost to this year are at the same performance and development level this year as they were last year, and as a result, there has been no improvement. Id suggest that its likely both of the teams that we lost to this year (and not by much) have improved measurably, and are better than they were at this same time last year.


Well, exactly, but then where does that leave us?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:10 pm 
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Damning down the ground footage on OTC last night of Elliott's second last goal, when he was alone inside 50. Murphy kicked in and ball was on our HFF in a flash. Walker was at CHB, Elliott inside 50 alone (aling with Henderson and his direct opponent)....Murphy still running from the goal square toward the defensive 50. Murphy ran straight past Elliott, then Walker, but seemed to forget to call Walker back onto Elliott, who I think had manned the mark in the kick in. Henderson also would have spotted Elliott but didnt call Walker back either. Offensive mindset. Ball rebounds. goal.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:58 pm 
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We had a crack but pannicked in the last, when the class of Pendles and Swan destroyed us. Judd tries hard but really doesn't hurt sides anymore esp around the ground - Pies happy for him to have it in his hands for mine. More time up Fwd for Judd in his twilight for mine.

Davies not AFL standard, plain and simple. Boots will be good but not ready yet. Tuohy just going at the minute, and with Laidler not 100% it hurt us. Those calling for the re-call of Joseph.....please :yikes: And not sure what's wrong with Simmo but he's lost his mojo big time.

Rowe showed plenty in the cauldron, and Levi was better than last week but has a long way to go yet (in the absence of Waite and no sign of Mitchell arriving we have no other option but to keep playing him).

We still could be as good as 2-3 after 5, as we may just beat Geelong and a win against the under-manned WC is a chance. Once Mick works out who can and can't play, and the team gets used to Mick and vice versa, we may actually finish the rest of the year strongly. Remember we were $3.50 flag favs after 3 rounds last year.

still can't beleive Murph didn't get that free btw :mad:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:05 pm 
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Rowe showed plenty in the cauldron, and Levi was better than last week but has a long way to go yet (in the absence of Waite and no sign of Mitchell arriving we have no other option but to keep playing him).



Hampson not in your plans. In round 1 he took the second most contested marks in the forward 50 behind Travis Cloke.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:22 pm 
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MIL wrote:
We had a crack but pannicked in the last, when the class of Pendles and Swan destroyed us. Judd tries hard but really doesn't hurt sides anymore esp around the ground - Pies happy for him to have it in his hands for mine. More time up Fwd for Judd in his twilight for mine.

Davies not AFL standard, plain and simple. Boots will be good but not ready yet. Tuohy just going at the minute, and with Laidler not 100% it hurt us. Those calling for the re-call of Joseph.....please :yikes: And not sure what's wrong with Simmo but he's lost his mojo big time

The wings are crowded now, they used to be wide open for him to run along. It'll take a while for some players to adjust, others will drop off or move to other positions. Simmo to the back line works for me, he'll be able to find some space again running off half back.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:33 pm 
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Sin City wrote:
MIL wrote:
We had a crack but pannicked in the last, when the class of Pendles and Swan destroyed us. Judd tries hard but really doesn't hurt sides anymore esp around the ground - Pies happy for him to have it in his hands for mine. More time up Fwd for Judd in his twilight for mine.

Davies not AFL standard, plain and simple. Boots will be good but not ready yet. Tuohy just going at the minute, and with Laidler not 100% it hurt us. Those calling for the re-call of Joseph.....please :yikes: And not sure what's wrong with Simmo but he's lost his mojo big time

The wings are crowded now, they used to be wide open for him to run along. It'll take a while for some players to adjust, others will drop off or move to other positions. Simmo to the back line works for me, he'll be able to find some space again running off half back.


When Mick came to the club, he told Simpson he had to 'man-up'. Simpson thought this meant growing a beard. Simpson in defence.....lol


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:42 pm 
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MIL wrote:
We had a crack but pannicked in the last, when the class of Pendles and Swan destroyed us. Judd tries hard but really doesn't hurt sides anymore esp around the ground - Pies happy for him to have it in his hands for mine. More time up Fwd for Judd in his twilight for mine.

Davies not AFL standard, plain and simple. Boots will be good but not ready yet. Tuohy just going at the minute, and with Laidler not 100% it hurt us. Those calling for the re-call of Joseph.....please :yikes: And not sure what's wrong with Simmo but he's lost his mojo big time.

Rowe showed plenty in the cauldron, and Levi was better than last week but has a long way to go yet (in the absence of Waite and no sign of Mitchell arriving we have no other option but to keep playing him).

btw :mad:


Agree Mil. None of our small or mid sized defenders gave us anything in terms of run off half back and were poor defensively. Part of the reason we had to use Walker down there in the last qtr.

I think boots a is worth persevering with. Put armfield down there as he has a defensive mindset and maybe use Simon white this week.

Thouhy giving us no run, Laidler was terrible and Marcus Davies will be playing VFL next year.

7 hbfers and none of them any good.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:11 pm 
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Considering how poor our team selection was, how poorly we executed, how poorly we were coached and how mentally weak we are, it's surely a miracle that we were 5 points down against one of the flag favourites with 60 seconds to play.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:18 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Some pics from the match - note the importance of casboult :)

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Set here -http://www.flickr.com/photos/53083364@N08/sets/72157633196871966/


Free Kick - high contact x 2. :mad:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:44 pm 
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Free kick x2 alright.

Not winging but when our guys lay a finger on a shoulder it's a free against.
That's what I see week in week out and it shits me.

I just hope someone is ballsy enough and professional to escalate this issue to the AFL quietly behind the scenes.

I doubt it....and I know there's other issues with our team but a fair and square umpiring decision is a good start.

We are and have been crucified by umpires for too long...prix

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:00 pm 
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Exactly Bondi. I'm over it as well. Hopefully Malthouse will start shortly. This he's good at and would happy to hear from him.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:13 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Free kick x2 alright.

Not winging but when our guys lay a finger on a shoulder it's a free against.
That's what I see week in week out and it shits me.

I just hope someone is ballsy enough and professional to escalate this issue to the AFL quietly behind the scenes.

I doubt it....and I know there's other issues with our team but a fair and square umpiring decision is a good start.

We are and have been crucified by umpires for too long...prix

That`s because the umpires along with the rest of the football world see us as soft. Human nature. There is no aura about us.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:31 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Considering how poor our team selection was, how poorly we executed, how poorly we were coached and how mentally weak we are, it's surely a miracle that we were 5 points down against one of the flag favourites with 60 seconds to play.


We were easily the better team for the first three quarters and should have been further ahead.

Do you really think Collingwood played that well or were allowed to play well?

We still haven't got cohesion in the back-line and that cost us more than any other facet of the game, even for our two key forwards only kicking the one goal between them.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:22 pm 
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harker wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Considering how poor our team selection was, how poorly we executed, how poorly we were coached and how mentally weak we are, it's surely a miracle that we were 5 points down against one of the flag favourites with 60 seconds to play.


We were easily the better team for the first three quarters and should have been further ahead.

Do you really think Collingwood played that well or were allowed to play well?

We still haven't got cohesion in the back-line and that cost us more than any other facet of the game, even for our two key forwards only kicking the one goal between them.


..how many the week before..?.. ..won't be much longer before Hendo is roaming at CHF..

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:35 pm 
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harker wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Considering how poor our team selection was, how poorly we executed, how poorly we were coached and how mentally weak we are, it's surely a miracle that we were 5 points down against one of the flag favourites with 60 seconds to play.


We were easily the better team for the first three quarters and should have been further ahead.

Do you really think Collingwood played that well or were allowed to play well?

We still haven't got cohesion in the back-line and that cost us more than any other facet of the game, even for our two key forwards only kicking the one goal between them.



I was being sarcastic. If you read this thread but didn't know the score, you'd assume we were Melbourne.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:54 am 
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Sin City wrote:
MIL wrote:
We had a crack but pannicked in the last, when the class of Pendles and Swan destroyed us. Judd tries hard but really doesn't hurt sides anymore esp around the ground - Pies happy for him to have it in his hands for mine. More time up Fwd for Judd in his twilight for mine.

Davies not AFL standard, plain and simple. Boots will be good but not ready yet. Tuohy just going at the minute, and with Laidler not 100% it hurt us. Those calling for the re-call of Joseph.....please :yikes: And not sure what's wrong with Simmo but he's lost his mojo big time

The wings are crowded now, they used to be wide open for him to run along. It'll take a while for some players to adjust, others will drop off or move to other positions. Simmo to the back line works for me, he'll be able to find some space again running off half back.



I'd like to see Boots on the wing and swap with Simmo along HB on a small forward. Maybe in his twilight years, Simmo can provide some dash from HB
Throw Yarran in there and you can rotate all three across HB/wing/HF

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:58 am 
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MIL wrote:
And not sure what's wrong with Simmo but he's lost his mojo big time.


Time for a shave :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:45 am 
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anyone else think Walker should have stayed in the forward line? Also sub should have been activated long before it was, everyone kept talking about an advantage due to them being a man down, but until we activate there was no advantage (other than the injured man was a ruckman)

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