History isn't your forte, is it kk!

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well end of 79' same difference

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Yeah nah. Two things. One is that You shoulda said "Ratts will go when Sticks goes". Two is that in 79 WE ACTUALLY WON THE FLAG.

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Well if your talking end of 1980 - our then coach Percy was sacked and replaced by David Parkin, and then Percy was offered and accepted a place on the Board of Directors.

Are you saying that Ratts will be given a place on the Board of Directors?

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I'll book Festival Hall though, just in case.

I'd say it is more like 2002 than 1979

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Does that mean we'll get Smorgyland built soon?

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Left wing moralists
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They shit me no end

North Doggies Dees Saints memberships and crowd numbers are all on the decline

At least ours are on the up albeit slightly

Doggies crowd numbers dow 9k in the last 3 years

And yet Smorgan is highly regarded

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Things are going really well when we are comparing ourselves favorably in comparison with North, Doggies, Dees & Saints

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David Smorgan revived a rotting carcass in Footscray and turned it into the only viable and logical option for the long term survival of a stand alone AFL club in the Western Suburbs of Melbourne, of course he should be highly regarded.

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Was crucial in the appointment Campbell Rose and the duo engineered a $38 million turnaround in an 8 year period. They worked together well. Understood revenue growth and how to maximize the government monies coming in, all without reliance on what is a small supporter base. Their marketing and communication people (managers) are a lot better than ours.

we were not far off a rotting carcass several years back If my memory is correct but now have one of the biggest spending football departments in the league along with an elite training facility - increased membership , increased revenue and great exposure on FTA and one of the first clubs to fully embrace social media as well the first to create android apps so all fans can be kept up to date with the club

But Smorgan is better right

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A better President than Sticks - overall - probably...for starters, he's got the runs on the board since 1996 (with a very good CEO from 2002-2010).

I'm not sure what your other points have to do with this thread. You're wrong with the social media part...we've been very reactionary with social media and haven't used it as efficiently as others. And if you think the club created the android apps, you're sorely mistaken.

The training facility is great. It's on a par with what the Bulldogs and Kangaroos have. Ours was built with the condition that AFL games wouldn't be played on our ground. Our football department spend is fantastic, but is that money being used effectively or going to waste? Need to see results.

I've noticed the club is really pushing multi-culturualism with their social media sites. Calling on all cultures to be a part of Carlton which i think is a good initiative. I haven't noticed that with other clubs. Then again, i don't take notice of other clubs! They have launched memberships for people living in London and Germany which seems pretty good and even put the message in German which was a nice touch.

But your arguement is and has been that Sticks is not doing the right thing with regards to increasing membership and long term sustainability of the club - Smorgan has been at it a long time at the doggies
and is regarded by many as a good president - yet their crowd numbers are down - their membership is down therefore their revenue will be down - Are the doggies calling for his head - their team lacks onfield success which is what we are all ultimately striving for - But there are no calls for his head - Why????

and the answer is simple and it is what I have been saying for a very long time - Football revenue is governed by winning - Win and they will come supporters , members and sponsors

When Eddie took over a broke Collingwood - he set about taking them further into debt to increase football department spend - recruited in a good management team and coach and got the side winning again and they have basically been up and about for 10 -15 years now - So with onfield success comes more members more spectators more sponsors more dollars . Its an old saying successs brings success

If we had of knocked off Essendon* and kept that early season form going our membership would have blown the 50k mark easily . Moving Sticks on is not the problem it is getting the football team winning again that is the problem . And Sticks has given the football department every bit of ammunition they need for it to be successful and I am sure he will do what is right for the club in the end

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Very admirable. Not new, but they seem to have got the crux of this right. But that all depends on who's seeing it, correct? We're seeing it because we're members/supporters and receive emails or peruse Carlton related websites. Serious question - Does it have a presence at the most well known University in Victoria which is walking distance from club HQ? 20 years ago they had 8,000 international students from 100 different countries studying there - and you wouldn't have known the club was just up the road. Seems an obvious partnership of sorts doesn't it?

We better tap into that German market. it's huge, right??

Forget about the ethnic groups that actually live in Melbourne

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They have a few international students working as interns at the club from the University nearby who have each done a blog about their experiences with footy and the club. However I'm not sure at how much is going on at said Uni but I guess it's a start!

I don't mind it. The timing is interesting , is the membership/marketing arm under the pump?

The comments are very funny.

As for membership numbers the AFL media doesnt encourage people to buy memberships for the purposes of attending games and the scheduling of matches at 4.40 on a Sunday won't help much either.

So clubs need many more "donation" memberships I.e they are simply bought by people who want to identify with the club or offer financial support.

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I'm not convinced you've been reading this thread thoroughly. Our revenue isn't governed by memberships. I couldn't give a stuff how many members we have. They don't bring in the dollars. In terms of revenue for the club it goes 1. AFL TV rights distribution 2. Corporate Sponsors 3. DISTANCE 4. Memberships...our debt is being helped along by Bruce Mathieson. Without him - you'd be receiving a letter in the mail asking you to write a cheque and help pay off the debt.

I'm happy to talk about the Bulldogs if you want. They've reduced their board numbers, appointed on a needs basis (see Chris Grant), have managed to shore up sponsors, gained government backing without significant spend at their end, are a quarter through their 'Bulldoze the Debt' campaign and have roughly $3 million to go, and have meaningful partnerships with the community (of which there is a Community portfolio on the board). They interfere far less in operational matters than the Carlton board,

In terms of supporters - they're a long way behind Carlton. In terms of members, they're 15,000 behind. That's not bad in the scheme of things. How many more supporters do you think Carlton have?

I'm not suggesting anyone get sacked (not really applicable to board anyway), even though I'd like for Sticks to hurry up and find a successor because his passion and talents can be used more effectively elsewhere. There are others who have clearly passed their used by date. I want the best people on the board, not those who are only there because they are financial backers of the club, or are there for an ego trip.

Just as we recruit for playing talent - we should be constantly on the lookout for Board talent. People such as Andy Penn, Ian Herman, Stephen and Mark Kerr...'Frank Dardew' commented earlier in this thread about having 'an advisory group to the board of a number of young up and coming businessmen who could be a sounding board to the board and who could ultimately be potential board members for the future'

In the 80's and 90's, we had this through a number of coteries. They aren't there any more. The club has actually 'lost' more of this ilk of member than they have gained it. So many of us on here can see the worrying signs. You just can't look at what you've got. You have to look at what you don't have and what can be improved upon.