Barrett gets a free crack at reporting the same shit everyone else is already discussing, knowing full well if it turns out he's wrong he can use one of Hotcox's excuses. What a journo

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As noted above, why must coaching contracts be a minimum of 1 year in length? Why is a contract with a set term necessary at all if we are that uncertain that a close finals loss influences the decision one way or the other.

a win against the 8th placed side means jack shit in the scheme of what we should be trying to achieve and where we should be.

judd came in 2008 and with him came great promise. 4 years on & i dont consider one elimination final win (if we do win this sunday) to be any great achievement.
this year and perhaps last, and maybe for the next 3-4 years, we should be challenging for premierships not shitting ourselves about losing to @#$%&! Essendon* in a knock out first round final!

wtf has happened to this club over the last 10 years?? i remember a pre season interview in the early 90s with peter dean where a journo asked him how he thought we'd go that year and his response was along the lines of, "this is carlton mate, were here to win flags".

now were too @#$%&! scared to set the bar higher than 1 finals win.

I don't think info is leaking from the club at all.

If I, someone with no access to any info whatsoever, can deduce Ratten would be in strife if we have a loss and that the degree and manner of any loss would affect it as well then I'm sure a journo can do the same.

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Carlton 2012: Lets remind them why they once feared the Dark.

It didn't seem to me that Barrett had any information at all.

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#DonTheStash

Wangers is Damien Barrett?

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

When i read this the first time Doof, i said "flower yeah , we should be aiming higher".

But when you take a breath you realise that the comp and game is so different and our administration was no better than Richmonds for 20 years, we just had more money. Short term improvements are tempting, but you can't afford to be tempted. You've got to build the whole club, not just buy or trade some players.

The Tiges tried shortcuts for 30 years and they are still 11th, more recently M Voss condemned his club to an additional 2-4 years in the malestrom by going for the short term fix.

If the club is not on the right path, its very close. Just got to be patient.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

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Club may have leaked it on purpose with Ratts' blessing. Essendon* thought for bit there that they were playing to sack our coach and that would apply extra pressure to us. Media were building pressure also.

Now it seems they are trying win so Ratts contract is shorter. Hardly something to rev the bombers up. Hardly something they can use as a tool of any sorts really.

Just a thought

If Ratts wins this week and continues on to win #17 this year, will we praise him as a coach or give the praise to new assistance coaches, Juddy on the back of a blitzing final series ro just plain luck?

In other words, can Ratts ever win the argument of whether he can coach?

good point Steve, what puzzles me is the people that overrate our list, great midfield and improved defence but still no key forward (due to injury) - on this basis Ratten has done a commendable job.

Hate that this is being discussed before the end of the year also.

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I think Ratts has been unlucky. If Jamo and Waite didn't go down, I truly believe we'd be top 4 and he'd be safe.

But he's not the 1st coach to lose their job because of injuries. We have the team to beat Essendon* and if we don't, then we have to seriously ask if Ratts is the man that can prepare the team for finals success.

But my feeling is that it's all academic. We'll smash Essendon*, then watch out Weagles.

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Ratten will be re-signed for 2 years.

The hand rail painter told me.

Damien Barrett is a gossip columnist and came up with the same sort of story any New idea/ Womens Weekly/ Who mag/ MX 'journo' could have made up.

Ratts future shouldn't be tied to one game and is not. But neither should we say we are going to ignore our finals performance. Clearly it is really important and can tell you a bit about a coach. The thing I hate is it makes the Elim final an end in itself instead of a means to an end (as finals should be).

The annoying thing with 'award winning' Damo's piffle was the implication that Ratts and his management have been trying to pressure the club into a deal before the end of the season. I suspect any leaking is coming from Ratts manager if there was any. Ratts and his mngr should be told in no uncertain terms that the club will decide if and when the contract is offered and if Ratts was told it wd be decided at season's end then that's it, get on with coaching and not trying to land another contract. If he gets things right, the contract will take care of itself. I think one year with an option on both sides is amply fair if we lose and two otherwise. If he has confidence in his coaching contracts take care of themselves.

I think he has done well but should be really grateful that he was appointed with very little experience (and not much searching by the club) and should be incredibly appreciative of the efforts the club has made in supporting him with players (Judd) facilities, a range of hand picked assistants etc (all thing totally denied Pagan - not that I thought he was a good appointment).

Get on with the coaching Ratts, let the board offer a contract when they are ready and be grateful for it. We should win on Sunday but if we don't don't drag out interminable stats or excuses. Be in control, sound like you're in control. You are a very lucky guy to have got the job, don't blow it by worrying about your job rather than the team.

Ratten is safe as, even with a loss against the bombers.

Was only ever speculation, as Roos and Malthouse may of been available earlier in the year.

So if we got rid of Ratten, who we going to get?

He might not be the best coach, but hes coached a team to our best position in quite awhile with not the greatest list

Trust me I'm not - I raised my eyebrows when I heard he echoed my thoughts. Me thinks he was reading TC and this thread whilst in the green room, and pinched my thoughts

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Absoutely right. Beating Essendon* does not equate to improvement. It is just a stabilizing plateau. Winning the week after is the first sign of real improvement. A Prelim final appearance should be the objective.

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What part of Barret made it up are people not getting. One thing I leant long ago is that the vast majority the stuff that now appears in the football media is gossip, speculation and occassionally a semi educated guess.

Seriously I reckon TC could publish more credible media articles.

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L.M 35-06

This.
Caro's career of made up bullshit has inspired a generation

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Regards Cazzesman

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