Setanta Decks Cloke - 4 Week Suspension

verbs · **Posted:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:01 pm

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Noonamah Blue wrote:

I also think that its a low act to swing punches against a man on his knees and therefore unable to defend himself.

So which one of the pair was the low one?

They were both on their knees having a go at each other.

Kind of a level playing field, wouldn't you say?

Grapple. Punch. KK lands a blow, NB falls to the ground.

KK kicks NB in the butt.

KK spits at NB "take that you weak prick".

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

verbs wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Noonamah Blue wrote:

I also think that its a low act to swing punches against a man on his knees and therefore unable to defend himself.

So which one of the pair was the low one?

They were both on their knees having a go at each other.

Kind of a level playing field, wouldn't you say?

Grapple. Punch. KK lands a blow, NB falls to the ground.

KK kicks NB in the butt.

KK spits at NB "take that you weak prick".

camel · **Posted:** Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:34 pm

Buzza4 wrote:

JUST.CALM.DOWN.

EVERYONE.

For the last month I have been very happy because everyone in media land were only talking about us in glowing terms. We have to just starve this story of oxygen and focus on football. Explain to me how jon ralph writes 3 stories on the same topic spouting the same bile against carlton in the saturday HS? 3 stories? saying the same things? what kind of journalism is that?

there is an agenda here and plenty of people out there have been literally GAGGING to stick the boot in. the fact is apart from carrot's injury and an over zealous defensive blunder it was a flowering good session. we should be happy with that, let this be taken care of in the correct way, have those serve their sentences and move the flower on. not ignore it, just give it the attention it deserves.

come on people, this is not as bad as they want us to believe. NO sackings, NO lynch mobs and NO hissy fits.

go blues

So what you're saying is the whole Setanta v Cloke incident was a deliberate decoy to take the focus of our otherwise good showing on the track?

Sneaky! :cool:

CK95 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:18 am

It's OK...Cloke has a steel sidebottom.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

CK95 wrote:

It's OK...Cloke has a steel sidebottom.

Looked like Setanta got him right in the middle though....

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:11 am

Look this is all certainly more than yesterday's news now and hopefully the match review panel decision will barely make it about 10 pages in from the back page.

We can all move on from this point as there are far more newsworthy stories at the present point it time. :wink:

bluehammer · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:27 am

Yah... but my son was born on saturday, and I've held on to the paper from that day.

We'll look back and see 'hey, James, you were born on the day after Setanta kicking Cloke up the butt was on the front page of the paper'.

That's great!

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:37 am

bluehammer wrote:

Yah... but my son was born on saturday, and I've held on to the paper from that day.

We'll look back and see 'hey, James, you were born on the day after Setanta kicking Cloke up the butt was on the front page of the paper'.

That's great!

Congrats bluehammer thats great, - but much prefer the paper I have from the day my daughter was born on 23rd June 1990 - Carlton defeats Geelong after being 48 points down during 2nd quarter - Silvagni and Kernahan run amok - avid Blues Supporter leaves wife in Delivery Suite to get final quarter score. :oops:

BlueMark · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:38 am

This should be handled internally by the club, but now that the AFL are involved Carlos is about to get the book thrown at him :mad:

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:07 am

BlueMark wrote:

This should be handled internally by the club, but now that the AFL are involved Carlos is about to get the book thrown at him :mad:

I don't have a problem with that. They are the rules under which the intra-club matches are operated.

paulg · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 81

Todays Age sports forum on line Question should Setanta be sacked

he needs some support

http://www.realfooty.com.au/polls/form.html

killpies · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:12 am

Punter22 wrote:

BlueMark wrote:

This should be handled internally by the club, but now that the AFL are involved Carlos is about to get the book thrown at him :mad:

I don't have a problem with that. They are the rules under which the intra-club matches are operated.

Either do i, but I'd like to know why the AFL has involved itself in this one, and not any (apart from Lockett, years ago) other incident where team mates have come to blows. Is this the only one that happened in an intra club match?

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18035

If it was any other player, I'd probably accept sacking him but Carlos is a special case IMO.
If you look at the International Rules, the Aussies were incensed at the Irish kicking them but there is less of a stigma attached to kicking in Ireland. In fact, punching is viewed as a far more serious issue.

What we need to remember is we recruited a quiet kid from Ireland and tried to turn him into an AFL footballer. We wanted to increase his aggression and his intensity. We gave him skills training, media training and tried to immerse him into the AFL club culture. But the fact is, when the pressure is on and he plays on his instincts, occasionally he'll revert to who he is instead of who we want him to be.
You can't expect him to instinctively live our culture 100% of the time when 75% of his life was developed with another culture.

He was wrong, he screwed up but its a few steps backward in the journey AFAIC.
You dont sack someone you're training because they've inadvertantly screwed up (or embarrassed you).
You look at your processes and procedures and try to remove the chance of it happening again.

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:22 am

killpies wrote:

Punter22 wrote:

BlueMark wrote:

This should be handled internally by the club, but now that the AFL are involved Carlos is about to get the book thrown at him :mad:

I don't have a problem with that. They are the rules under which the intra-club matches are operated.

Either do I, but I'd like to know why the AFL has involved itself in this one, and not any (apart from Lockett, years ago) other incident where team mates have come to blows. Is this the only one that happened in an intra club match?

Who cares? It happened. He did it. In doing so he leaves himself open to the AFL throwing the book at him.

There is nothing mroe tired on this site than the 'It's all a conspiracy!!!" crowd lining up everytime something negative is said about Carlton. There is no consipracy. eg, I am (I believe) one of Caro's biggest critics, but to call her piece on Saturday anything but balanced and fair is rubbish, and in fact just displays the same prejudice that she's so often accused of possessing. Does everyone forget the glowing articles she's written about us over summer?

We rate ourselves as one of the biggest clubs in the league - therefore anything that happens at this club is big news, and that's the way we should want it.

This is an issue that Setanta has landed the club into, nothing more nothing less. He should pay full price for it.

BlueMark · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:30 am

Agree in principle Punter, but the AFL has a well proven track record of over-reacting when it comes to Carlton.

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:34 am

I remember when touching an umpire used to get 9 weeks.

Taff · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:49 am

Blue Vain wrote:

If it was any other player, I'd probably accept sacking him but Carlos is a special case IMO.
If you look at the International Rules, the Aussies were incensed at the Irish kicking them but there is less of a stigma attached to kicking in Ireland. In fact, punching is viewed as a far more serious issue.

What we need to remember is we recruited a quiet kid from Ireland and tried to turn him into an AFL footballer. We wanted to increase his aggression and his intensity. We gave him skills training, media training and tried to immerse him into the AFL club culture. But the fact is, when the pressure is on and he plays on his instincts, occasionally he'll revert to who he is instead of who we want him to be.
You can't expect him to instinctively live our culture 100% of the time when 75% of his life was developed with another culture.

He was wrong, he screwed up but its a few steps backward in the journey AFAIC.
You dont sack someone you're training because they've inadvertantly screwed up (or embarrassed you).
You look at your processes and procedures and try to remove the chance of it happening again.

Excellent post BV.

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:59 am

Punter22 wrote:

There is nothing mroe tired on this site than the 'It's all a conspiracy!!!" crowd lining up everytime something negative is said about Carlton. There is no consipracy. eg, I am (I believe) one of Caro's biggest critics, but to call her piece on Saturday anything but balanced and fair is rubbish, and in fact just displays the same prejudice that she's so often accused of possessing. Does everyone forget the glowing articles she's written about us over summer?

We rate ourselves as one of the biggest clubs in the league - therefore anything that happens at this club is big news, and that's the way we should want it.

This is an issue that Setanta has landed the club into, nothing more nothing less. He should pay full price for it.

The point I was making is that over the past 6 years the media and oppossing supporters have gleefully and joyfully sunk the size 16 steel cap boots in whilst we were down (bad analogy at this point but thats all I got :oops:

) - over the past 12 months the good news stories have flowed thick and fast and fast and we have all been thankful for the good news - but at any point there has been a minor slip up or for a chance for the media and talkback ferals to come back at us they have taken up the cudgels with with great enthusiasm.

Any way the upshot of all this is "They know we're coming" - and notwithstanding a dildo, ACCC investigation and a kick up the clacker - there is not a damn thing that the media and the AFL and the other 15 clubs can do about it. :wink:

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:05 am

BlueMark wrote:

Agree in principle Punter, but the AFL has a well proven track record of over-reacting when it comes to Carlton.

Absolutely they have, I agree. I don't, however, think that same prejudice is in place now with this administration, quite the opposite in fact. We've been looked after very well with the draw this year, for example.

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:13 am

Punter22 wrote:

BlueMark wrote:

Agree in principle Punter, but the AFL has a well proven track record of over-reacting when it comes to Carlton.

Absolutely they have, I agree. I don't, however, think that same prejudice is in place now with this administration, quite the opposite in fact. We've been looked after very well with the draw this year, for example.

Dont be misled by any favours that Demetrispew directs this way in favour of Carlton.

His KPI's are pretty much all about "crowds are up, ratings are up" and if he can leverage those by doing us a favour it aint about what he can do for Carlton its all about what he can do for himself. :wink:

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