Synbad. I am new to this forum and havent read all your past postings. As a new comer, i'm quite interested to know that if Lance is so bad or such a liability, how'd he win our B&F last year? Surely the game hasn't changed that much in 6 months... or at least we cant judge from 3 pre-season matches??!

And no idont know NYTDog but i like the way he expresses his point of view. Informed and articlulate.

What evidence do you have??? His past season he was a B&F winner. You're judging him on 3 pre season games rather than facts from a full season. You have no facts to back up your judgement. You clearly own a crystal ball or are just bitter and twisted.

Look, I don't believe that Lance is going to make an awesome captiain, i never said that. All I've ever said is that Lance still has plenty to offer and is definitely in our best 22. You think otherwise. I will be proven right and you will be proven wrong. Enough said. And again I will base my opinions on objective facts, not subjective ignorant opinions.

He will finish top 10 in the b&f, probably top 5 and will kick 30+ goals if he plays forward and will create many more.

To say he is a libility because he plays a little loser than say Setanta, is not understanding Lance. He makes up for speed by playing the angles and cutting off passes by positioning. But I guess you wouldn't understand that because all you see is how fast he runs.

I'd have to agree with you Synbad, its worrying times for Lance at the moment.. I still believe he can have a good impact but i certainly think he's peaked and our other talls in our side will take over from his spot in the side....

Personally, i believe Stevens should have been made captain with Fev as Vice captain... Whitnall just doesnt have the presence of our other two... Tell me, when you look at Lance, does it inspire you???

Certainly wouldnt inspire me... Average is a very nice way to say how dissappointing Lance has been thus far... Personally i believe Fevola and Scotland had better seasons than Lance last season and i got a spray for saying that....

I do believe, like a lot of you that with this batch of young talent we have and quality young kids, Lance will struggle to hold his own.. especially in such a quick game it has become these days... lance needs to be tried up forward because he will only unsettle our attacking, young backline by taking up too much space..

Try him as a forward, i believe thats where he may have an impact and trouble some teams... As long as Fev is given his space to be the prime target and that kennedy will be able to keep developing...

The time is now for Lance to assess the situation and really work his bum off because in 2 or 3 years time, he may be on the way out... at least of this carlton team...

Again, and perhaps in a new position as a forward, he will need to re-invent himself again...

I have never been the biggest Lance fan, but i admit these last couple of years Lances real strength in the team was his ability to stem the tide and be a good floating backman these past couple of years, plugging holes in defence... We now have more targets and waite, O'Hailpin and Thornton are past him in that regard....

Lance needs to wake up and realise this, and get his ass into gear... And i still think Stevens should be captain and it was a big mistake making Lance captain..

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lance is a very good player.. in fact, extremely good.

the problem is he is not performing and if playing football is 80% above the shoulders at this stage of the season i'll demand a 30% cut in his 600.000 or whatever pay. he gets paid to do a job and he hasn't been doing it over the past month. i'll rest him for the grand final.

It must be really tearing him up at the moment.
Yesterday he wasnt watching his beloved lalor cricket club drinking beer all day and eating hot-dogs like he usually does. (thats not being sarcastic)

I agree with you 100%, Carlton only have to play Saddington at CHB, Waite at CHF and Lance on a flank with maybe Kennedy FP or on the bench, Saddington got to be in the side preferable CHB, plus Waite looked more at home at CHF because of his eratic kicking and that was when Carlton seemed to have taken the game by the throat.

I dont think Lance is on anything near $600,000. He's probably already had his 30% cut on that.



My apologies. You're posting from the same IP address and I wouldn't have liked to see you're creating another alias to back up your own points, without declaring it.

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

And while you at it save a cup for me.

As for Withnall in my book he was always a top player for Carlton, he may be slow but I always found him very smart and don’t forget for the sake of the side he been moved to CHB jeopardizing him being up there with the best CHB players Carlton ever had just imagined his goals total would have been now if he were left at CHF all the time, sure he is having a lean time at the moment, but I feel he will come back, KEEP IT UP LANCE.

DING-DING!

I have no doubt that Lance is in his twilight years.

I've always been an admirer of Lance, because I chose to look at the positives and the negatives he brings to the table. There are very few perfect players in the competition, and even greats make mistakes, have their ups and downs; there are no perfect players at Carlton in such a young team, where youth's by-product is inexperience, and with that many mistakes.

I do not believe that Kennedy and Fisher are better players than Lance at the moment. Let me explain what at the moment implies. I consider the preseason just that; preseason. This time of the year is not the real deal and I'm sure there is no doubt with anyone that Lance is a bit behind atm because of his knee problem hindering his training, which in turn has impacted his fitness level, hoever in the real 4 point games he has finished that with a higher value to the team than these 2 kids, and season 2007 hasn't even started.

Bottom line is he needs every minute he can get of a competitive impact at a high level over the next 2 weeks to build up his fitness level. This is something we should all support and hope for for all our players. Their performance will be their judge in season propper.

We must then look at Lance as a work in progress. Judge him after 6 games, 11 games of the real season, not now; that's just plain silly.

Furthermore, the kids need all the guidance they can get. Lets face it Lance will not be here in 2009 (imo), so atm he is not going to cost us a premiership, but he along with Kouta, Lappin, Scotland and Stevens are our 5 oldest and most experienced players (and 3 of those are only 27) and the kids atm look up to them.

That is the #1 reason I have him in my first 22, and let me say when putting my 2007 teams together, I have struggled with Lance's role, but then I realise I'm being consumed by the future and not the present; reality check sorts out the dreaming emotional stuff....it's not a race to change things now, we've done that on a wholesale level, it's a work in progress.

We have had 10 kids under 21 playing in the preseason. My view is that we are blooding plenty, and not all of the 6 new kids must be given a go in 2007. They must earn it.

I do believe though that if in a few weeks Lance's form is not up to AFL level he must be given a spell (captain or no captain); its been done before...not at Carlton (?).

However, closely looking at the games, and I mean really closely, I do not believe that Lance has had a negative impact to the team because of an inability to jump and chase. I think that that's the way the games have panned out.

You can plan as much as you like, but no game goes according to plan....I think we are faster and moving the ball faster in 2007, and by the time the ball is carried to the HF line, we're not looking for Lance because we're right next to him. Have a good look to see what role Lance has been playing in the preseason....he's been opening up the forwardline for Fev, and no matter what anyone says about Lance, he does have the respect of opposition coaches, and his man does follow him wherever Lance leads him....to our advantage.

Finally at this very moment, I wouldn't change a thing. We have a winning feeling, and we have a winning momentum....all players are on notice to keep their spots or work harder to gain a spot.

Right now the real issue for some is who we drop to fit in Kennedy, and perhaps this scary thought is the reason the knives are out on Lnce. Sure Kennedy has shown a bit, but get real he hasn't set the world on fire; but that's just me thinking about the now and not 2009.

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good post Bondi. Well thought out. And I agree with nearly all of it.

Lance will most probably not be there for our next premiership, but to build a premiership team you need the young players to be taught both on the training track and on the field during the games. Experience and mentoring from our older players is key and Whitnall does that. ATM he is in our best 22. He won't be in 2-3 years most likely. But lets not get over consumed by 3 years time, when its the present we are living in. He will bounce back, mark my word.

Didnt Bowden from Richmond get it?

If i am correct, it just shows how easy it is to earn AA at CHB

Bowden must of had a few more cheaper kicks than Lance...

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Fair point...Jason Cloke was all the rage when he had the sweeper role...Lances problem I see it is that he doesnt have a position or a function in this new game style..
The way we are playing now is running the ball out of the backline and down the other end its about forwards creating pressure and not allowing other teams to run it back at us...you get both parts right then you generally win games.
Lance doesnt have a role in this new game plan......his footy smarts are not enough to cover his lack of athletic ability...when he played the Jason Cloke role he could rest across half back and wasnt expected to run...
If he is played down foward he cant create the pressure on the defense because he cant chase due to his lack of mobility....

He looked tired when he was sat on the bench even though he did little on the ground...

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A reasonable comment on what we have seen so far this year but the key question is "are his footy smarts enough to cover his lack of athletic ability?" - His limited exposed in the NAB has not really given us a clear indication and we have no idea how he will be used this season.

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Hey Rocky; there are too many rabbits ... in China.

The question re Lance, as it is for any other player in the team, is whether or not he is the best player to fill a particular position against the opposition we have that week.

If he is not, would the match committe have the guts to drop him, even if he is captain?

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Why would the club drop last years B&F winner and this years Capt based on a couple of average NAB games where he has spent alot of the time on the bench.

It won't happen nor should it happen. Synbad needs something to grumble about now he has overthrown GS and Co and Lance is the only one left in his sights

Regards Cazzesman

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As suggested by another poster would prefer to wait until about rd 6 to assess his contribution - but granted it has been minimal so far.

On another note I was very impressed with Stevens' media work today, far more comforatble & fluent in front of the press than Lance.

Not saying he should be dropped yet, but talking about down the track hypothetically - would he be dropped, now that he has been made captain??

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Yeh, and things have gone just terribly since then, havent they?

I know your very passionate about the team, and i really admire your passion for the team and players, but can you say with absolute surety that Lance Whitnall will continue to keep up with the modern game?...

Personally i think he had a good year last year, but a lot has happened since then, many changes in team structure, our younger kids developing and maturing to take the key positions...

Lance will need to possibly re-establish himself up forward, perhaps as 3rd tall because we now have better suited targets as backmen in O'Hailpin and Waite along with Thornton.... Up forward is Lances chance to keep his standing as an important player at the club....

Good to see the back of Smorgo... Cazz, he was a dud! Now we have a real professional running the board under the name of Dick Pratt...

Yeah, much better!!

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