So he should have established a winning culture immediately?

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dane's trolling again

He had to give everyone a clean slate for fear of losing the players from the get go, even if he knew there were players that needed to be cut. He's on the right track imho and the results will come as a result.

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dane's trolling again

Nathan Buckley questioned the culture of every club and coach he was under. His failings as a coach remain the same as his failings as a player: his attitude completely ruins any inroads and efforts he might make to build something at a club.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Yeah I dunno if it's the tight text also.
But can't judge a coach or a group till they all believe. Right now they believe. Mick's balls should be on the line this year IMO.

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I agree. I hope we can turn it around and show some real improvement this year.
But Mick has to be accountable at some stage. We'll know a lot more later in the year. (His 3rd year in the role)
That's why there's no reason to re-sign him now.

If he has confidence in his program, he should be willing to stand by his results later in the year.

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The length if the contract might be the sticking point. If we start the season strongly and look like we are capable of making finals the club might want to settle for 2/3 years. If we are really struggling and it's decided we need a longer rebuild, a decision needs to be made together with Mick if he wants to take on that 5 year job.

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Koperek.

This is exactly why sarcasm is so much more amusing when you’re face to face

the senior players will decide for the club is he stays or not imo.
they really rate him .. and some of them only stayed because they believe he is galvanising the team

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There's enough of them to know what a shit team and a good team looks like.

They've helped tear the club down a few times themselves sure, but clearly they're finally feeling confident in the system being put in place. That breeds more success down the road because it's passed onto every footballer that comes through the door. A new tradition.

So if he's an AFL capable coach, then that's a huge tick for him to get an extension.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I've heard plenty of times that the players "love Mick".
However football players eventually want a coach that can implement a program the produces results. The "love" soon evaporates if they aren't being offered every available opportunity to be their best.
At the moment, our leadership is still sub-standard. Yet Mick refuses to embrace external organisations that will fastrack leadership development.
We also fail to attract quality assistant coaches. They're basics that the successful clubs have as a standard. If Mick doesn't implement a quality program, the love won't last.

Results this season will be the telling factor.

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Collingwood boys loved Mick.
Nathan Buckley fast tracked leadership development with leading teams.
Collingwood boys now hate him.

Woof!!

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Yeah I can't speak for every single organisation they've handled, but I haven't heard of a success story for Leading Teams before or since Geelong. They rode that all the way to a chain of fat cheques because they were seen as the next big thing to invest in terms of FD spending.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I see Paul Couch at the local regularly on Saturdays when the punt is on.
I was giving him a bit of stick about his stellar appearance on Open Mike and in particular his comments about John Devine.
What he didn't say was that he was so bad that the club might have even folded if Blight hadn't replaced him and that football clubs will go into oblivion if they have a bad coach. Having a good coach makes a huge difference in team success
You need to be liked and have a non arrogance about you.
Buckley is the opposite. That's why he wont make it as a coach. Voss is a bit the same.
Its probably why the battler player makes the best coach. They don't seem aloof and up themselves.
The message they deliver is the same but their body language and tone of voice is such that the message actually sinks in.

Malthouse is liked by his players it seems even though his temper is shocking and in my view he is too old school. His style of play which he bought over from Collingwood was not right for our players because our kicking skills and running power wasn't good enough and he needed to change it earlier or create something innovative from the start. Warning bells went off at the end of 2012 when he was appointed in November then went off to promote his book and we hardly did any trades. He clearly had the wrong perspective on how good the playing list was and he has been playing catch up ever since.
My concern with Malthouse is he has reached his used bydate given his age and his time in the system. Despite winning seven games last year I do believe we made progress as we were more competitive overal which is a tick for Mick.

The club should make their decision on who coaches in 2016 and for how long as late as possible but he club should also be looking at all possible candidates now. Pre planning has never been this clubs strong suite.

But as Couchy said don't underestimate the importance on having the right senior coach.

Keogh I think the argument to be made re: our 2012 off-season is less about talent and more about work ethic/culture, something he wouldn't have been able to fully grasp from outside the club.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I don't know where you are getting your mail from Jim.



In fact, the past 3 Grand Finals have fought out by teams affiliated with Leading Teams.
In saying that, Leading Teams aren't the only options for leadership programs. The point was, the current model at Carlton (ignorance) is useless.

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Geelong was 2006 wasn't it? So they haven't started a leadership program since then that's worked.

I get the impression it's pseudo-management consultancy; some pop psychology mixed in with industry knowledge. Probably brings some positivity through their methods and their brand, but not enough to turn the tide of a club that isn't already doing so itself.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Am I missing something?
Did you not read my post? Forget 2006. The past 3 Grand Finals have been fought out by teams affiliated with Leading Teams.
Not bad results for a bit of pop psychology.

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I'm not disputing that, just that all of these clubs were well and truly underway with their rebuild before these guys turned up. One wonders if they did little more than provide a bit of a catalyst, or the club and company managed to play to each other's strengths and weaknesses.

They've failed at Carlton, Collingwood & St Kilda amongst other clubs. I don't think they've had much of an influence on Port, or you'd be hearing about it.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.