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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:48 am 
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I think most of us agree it’s important for us to appoint a recruitment supremo as soon as possible.

But having said that, I’m becoming more and more convinced that SOS is the right man to have as list manager. I know GWS were given ridiculous advantages (along with Gold Coast). But the more I see of GWS, the more impressed I am with the job SOS did. I love Gold Coast’s list, but it’s miles behind GWS’. Not only have GWS drafted superbly, stockpiling most of the quality talls and midfield leaders available over the last 5 years. But their trading has been exceptional as well. I know there were lots of eyebrows raised with the deals offered to Davis, Ward and Scully. But they were inspired pick ups. The money had to go somewhere. And they are going to be 10-year players. And they’re brilliant standard-setters. And that’s not to mention others like Mumford, Shaw, Griffin, Johnson, Patfull and Palmer.

And while I’m not expecting to see many wins this season. Just quietly I’m excited by the list changes we’ve already seen at the club over the last 12 months. It’s been a while since we’ve had some genuine young talent playing at VFL level, not yet getting a game. I have no doubt there will be further significant changes to come over the next 24 months.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:44 pm 
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We need some indigenous players in this team.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:30 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
GWS have been stockpiling young key position talls over the last 5 years. Your argument would hold in most circumstances, but not when 2 clubs have dominated the first round of the draft over 4-5 years.

E.g. Josh Bruce couldn't get a game there. He's become a very, very promising kpf since he left.


As I said, don't give up the idea on trading for him (if it suits) just don't think he'll be-all and end-all in our foward line. The moral of the Josh Bruce situation is that they didn't give up much for him. We make the same kinds of trades for players like Jones and think periphery players on GWS's list are worth highish to medium first round picks. I'd say be wary.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:55 pm 
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gws are very clever with thereplayer trading, they have given us players that i think are ordinary and we hope theres are diamond in the rough.How many of our gws boys would get a senior game at there old club.( whiley , kj)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:09 pm 
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jamespul65 wrote:
gws are very clever with thereplayer trading, they have given us players that i think are ordinary and we hope theres are diamond in the rough.How many of our gws boys would get a senior game at there old club.( whiley , kj)


The old "wouldn't get a game at such and such" isn't much of an argument.

Grand final teams often have recycled or unwanted players. Our '95 premiership team was full of them.

I agree that Whiley doesn't excite me and KJ has been underwhelming but Plowman is going to be a very important player, Sumner is going to be a good player and Lamb is showing weekly that he's important.

We used one pick and a broken down lazy prick (Menzel) to get the last three players plus Phillips (jury is out) and Kerridge (played well on Sunday).

WE have to turn the list over, if we get one excellent player, one good player and the rest just improve our list then it's progress.

Who, out of the guys we delisted or traded last year, did you want to keep?
Out went Menzel, Henderson, Yarran and a multitude of underperforming spuds, replaced by some really exciting prospect from the draft, DFA's and other clubs players.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:21 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
jamespul65 wrote:
gws are very clever with thereplayer trading, they have given us players that i think are ordinary and we hope theres are diamond in the rough.How many of our gws boys would get a senior game at there old club.( whiley , kj)


The old "wouldn't get a game at such and such" isn't much of an argument.

Grand final teams often have recycled or unwanted players. Our '95 premiership team was full of them.

I agree that Whiley doesn't excite me and KJ has been underwhelming but Plowman is going to be a very important player, Sumner is going to be a good player and Lamb is showing weekly that he's important.

We used one pick and a broken down lazy prick (Menzel) to get the last three players plus Phillips (jury is out) and Kerridge (played well on Sunday).

WE have to turn the list over, if we get one excellent player, one good player and the rest just improve our list then it's progress.

Who, out of the guys we delisted or traded last year, did you want to keep?
Out went Menzel, Henderson, Yarran and a multitude of underperforming spuds, replaced by some really exciting prospect from the draft, DFA's and other clubs players.


between the ears counts for a lot.

who wants menzel, yarran and henderson - regardless of talent - if they arent switched on.

if we can get KJ right between those ears of his, then we have a player without question.

i am confident that the bolton philosophy is all about getting it right up top.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:18 pm 
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yep. We needed some players that were physically ready to play this year. I loved the commitment of some of the new players to the contest on the weekend. If that's all they bring then so be it, set the standards expected to get into and stay in our team. Then as we draft more young talent, they understand the commitment required to wear the jumper.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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no no I want it all now!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:00 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
jamespul65 wrote:
gws are very clever with thereplayer trading, they have given us players that i think are ordinary and we hope theres are diamond in the rough.How many of our gws boys would get a senior game at there old club.( whiley , kj)


The old "wouldn't get a game at such and such" isn't much of an argument.

Grand final teams often have recycled or unwanted players. Our '95 premiership team was full of them.

I agree that Whiley doesn't excite me and KJ has been underwhelming but Plowman is going to be a very important player, Sumner is going to be a good player and Lamb is showing weekly that he's important.

We used one pick and a broken down lazy prick (Menzel) to get the last three players plus Phillips (jury is out) and Kerridge (played well on Sunday).

WE have to turn the list over, if we get one excellent player, one good player and the rest just improve our list then it's progress.

Who, out of the guys we delisted or traded last year, did you want to keep?
Out went Menzel, Henderson, Yarran and a multitude of underperforming spuds, replaced by some really exciting prospect from the draft, DFA's and other clubs players.



Yeah some really good points here.

You're right - i won't miss Menzel, Yazz or Hendo. None of them showed any heart - which could be because of the Malthouse culture that we had when they were at the club, but either way, none of them really wanted to play for Carlton (bar maybe Menzel) from the outside looking in.

From the players we got, Plowman and Kerridge look the goods, Sumner im not so sure about. But regardless as to whether we loose on those trades or not............ keeping those players was never going to do us any good.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:21 pm 
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KoRn wrote:
We need some indigenous players in this team.

We have some. Not sure why a person's ethnic background matters in any case.

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 Post subject: List Management 2016
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We have Cripps from the planet Crippton....


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
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We have Cripps from the planet Crippton....


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Plus Weitering from the planet Hrrrreee.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:08 am 
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And Jones from the planet Uranus (am I allowed to say that now)

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:27 pm 
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I am very confident in Sumner. I also get the impression that Bolts thinks quite highly of him. Hasn't played much footy the last couple of years and had a somewhat restricted pre-season but has been selected after just the one game in the ressies.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:35 pm 
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Mots87 wrote:
I am very confident in Sumner. I also get the impression that Bolts thinks quite highly of him. Hasn't played much footy the last couple of years and had a somewhat restricted pre-season but has been selected after just the one game in the ressies.


Lamb seems to improve every time he takes the field at the moment, took him 2 or 3 games to settle in but he is improving. Let's hope Sumner is the same.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:32 pm 
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I am very confident in Sumner. I also get the impression that Bolts thinks quite highly of him. Hasn't played much footy the last couple of years and had a somewhat restricted pre-season but has been selected after just the one game in the ressies.

You should be even more impressed by Plowman then

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:28 pm 
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london blue wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
jamespul65 wrote:
gws are very clever with thereplayer trading, they have given us players that i think are ordinary and we hope theres are diamond in the rough.How many of our gws boys would get a senior game at there old club.( whiley , kj)


The old "wouldn't get a game at such and such" isn't much of an argument.

Grand final teams often have recycled or unwanted players. Our '95 premiership team was full of them.

I agree that Whiley doesn't excite me and KJ has been underwhelming but Plowman is going to be a very important player, Sumner is going to be a good player and Lamb is showing weekly that he's important.

We used one pick and a broken down lazy prick (Menzel) to get the last three players plus Phillips (jury is out) and Kerridge (played well on Sunday).

WE have to turn the list over, if we get one excellent player, one good player and the rest just improve our list then it's progress.

Who, out of the guys we delisted or traded last year, did you want to keep?
Out went Menzel, Henderson, Yarran and a multitude of underperforming spuds, replaced by some really exciting prospect from the draft, DFA's and other clubs players.


between the ears counts for a lot.

who wants menzel, yarran and henderson - regardless of talent - if they arent switched on.

if we can get KJ right between those ears of his, then we have a player without question.

i am confident that the bolton philosophy is all about getting it right up top.


Otherwise known as the 'Jane Bunn' philosophy

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:38 pm 
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the only player i want back from the lot that have gone is garlett .


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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jamespul65 wrote:
the only player i want back from the lot that have gone is garlett .


No love for Bettsy?

Both the type we need in our forwardline.

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 Post subject: List Management 2016
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Agree, CHF is a tough spot to fill

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