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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:20 pm 
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source of this is Connolly on SEN.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA




.... ha

:lol: :lol:
yeah, I know..but..
nah, I reckon that meeting happened.
I think it's poor form fro a coach to distance himself from his team, and won't exactly lift flailing morale amongst fans or players.
but hey,
a bad coach always blames his tools. :wink:


..reality check for the board, salty malty is always very close to and passionate about 'his boys'..

....some things I may not be in full agreement with, for example krooz too short to be a main ruck, so make him fwd pinch hit ruck.. ..I disagree, but if the club are serious about this new role, trade him out.. ..I am a huge fan, but he is a ruck every day of the week so if you won't play him as such cash in.. ..but the system, what he is trying to do.. ..it will take time to bed in, and time to extract the workload out of the players to implement, but our first quarter vs port is what we are chasing and it will be good enough to take is their, of we are good enough to keep it up..

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:25 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Red back do you really think Rowe is AFL standard on an objective basis

If it is enough for hawthorn to bring Sewell back through the reserves surely carrazzo shouldn't come straight in with no footy

Didn't say we weren't coach able didn't say Mick was terrible nor were our assistants

Could you also tell me though who are our stars ie who is our equivalent to pendlebury Mitchell Selwood


Frank whether Rowe is afl standard or not is beside the point we have a full list like every other club now allwe need to do is coach them properly.
Ratten apparently picked him up and is still copping the criticism for it but he hasn't been at the club for 2 years now and he was resigned when Mick was coach but no backlash there, enough said on Rowe.
Carrazzo should come back through the ressies, but will he and if not why?
MC and Mick make stupid decisions before and during the game. Did you realise that Henderson went back and forth at least four times in a space of a quarter and a bit last week?
Game breakers we have a few, capable of breaking the game wide open Judd, Murph, Waite, Henderson, Garlett, Walker, Gibbs.
Mick needs to play them and play them right in order for them to be game winners.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:26 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:41 pm 
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I'd rather jobe play than have to expose my eyeballs to teethboy. I hate that @#$%&!


He needs those to eat sugar cubes from his trainer's palm.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:59 pm 
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Blues will win comfortably tomorrow.

I expect them to put together 4 quarters (for a change)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:01 pm 
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Keep saying it...."But I get only round 2??" it will be round 22 or whatever....And we still will not have accomplished a thing....We need to get something out of this season, start playing kids get game time Experience into them....This list we have currently playing will not get us anywhere. Sooner everyone wakes up to this the better.


I'm of a different view. I say stick with what we've got and the process until it works. Play the kids, but not at the expense of senior experience just for the sack of blooding kids. We've got to continue with the game plan until we get it right. Every opponent we face has differing styles of play, and we'll adjust as needed, but OUR style of play has to be stuck with until we get it right. Without this blooding kids won't change a thing. Every club has their style, Hawthorn, Freo, Geelong ...

MM is trying to implement a style of play into this team and its a process that has to become second nature. Its gonna take time. Is it an outdated style of play? Many will argue it is. From what I've seen (granted, in very small patches thus far) it works a treat. But until we get it right, for four quarters, week in, week out, we'll simply keep coming up short. Our days of 100+ point beltings are far behind us, thank God. As last year showed, we are getting beaten by the smallest of margins, hell we only needed to have kicked straight last week and we would have seen yet another famous come from behind victory against Richmond.

Eventually we'll get it right. I honestly believe we will. Its just completely frustrating that its not happening right now season proper. 0 - 2 hurts and now we face the biggest cheaters in AFL history. The challenge is there, and the boys don't train their collective guts out every day to lose games of footy. They want to be winners, and train and play to be so. Me, I'm hoping against the scum we can bring it for four quarters. If we can, we'll smash this mob of cheating scum. Reality is telling me we'll bring it, but not for four quarters and we'll have fade outs during the game. But I'm not giving up just yet.


The club doesn't have the players to play the style MM prefers. There is no Tippett or Cloke. He only reverts to the style which suits the list (run and carry) when we are 6+ goals behind. You can't keep trying to play long kicking down the boundary line if you don't have the players who can take pack marks all day. That is the frustrating thing - there is a game style which has been successful in winning games but whether its stubbornness or ego the coach won't adopt that style from the start. Of course you can't move the ball entirely by playing on/handball receives/uncontested possessions but equally you can't just have a plan where you bomb it down the line.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:17 pm 
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Game plans and structures become irrelevant when the team doesn't get the basics right.

The 1%ers - the tackles, blocks, sacrificial team acts etc...

And work rate.

First two weeks the blues have been below par in these basic areas.

I would start tackling these issues first before anything else.

This team basically carried the problems exposed in the final against the swans last year into this years home and away season. What were they doing over the pre season?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:18 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
I really doubt Carrots will play.

Lucas to come in late?


He'll play..


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:01 pm 
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This team basically carried the problems exposed in the final against the swans last year into this years home and away season. What were they doing over the pre season?


Fully agree. We just don't do the basics well.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:02 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Blues will comfortably tomorrow.

I expect them to put together 4 quarters (for a change)

I like it; makes me want to go now!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:06 pm 
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Frank - one player Rowe is our only concern and that's because he has been playing forward for most of his career. I think it's fair to give the guy a chance as a backman for a little while. Not saying I'm convinced on him.

Carrazzo is a very important player to us and I expect him to be the sub tomorrow. Hopefully he gets a good quarter. It's no coincidence our midfield leadership has been nonexistent since he's been out.

I like the rest of the team, especially our midfield with Murphy, Simpson, Gibbs, Thomas and Curnow(1 tag). Hopefully we start with that and our foward line setup.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:47 pm 
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IMO Carlton looks better than the Bumbers on pap
Bumbers literally pinched 2 games last year.....
they have question marks re illegal supplements.
We gave them a flogging before that.
It's a strange historical clash between the 2 teams

I was at the footy today talking to an Bumbers fan.
He thinks they'll win but it's Carlton is what he says.
Same hear.

I give us a great chance of winning this.
Waite and Hendo KPFs. Bumbers are shitting themselves!

It's ours for the taking. Got to create and take chances.

Carrazzo is in good condition. He's primed.
He's going to be unleashed. I don't think he'll be sub.
He might be sore next week, but he adds value to the midfield.

Carlton by 14 points. 23 if they kick really straight.

Gotta win this one

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:10 pm 
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Thomas BOG..........!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:21 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Frank - one player Rowe is our only concern and that's because he has been playing forward for most of his career. I think it's fair to give the guy a chance as a backman for a little while. Not saying I'm convinced on him.


I agree with this. MM is giving him an opportunity to play down back. Smart move considering our backs are small and will not be able to handle the opposition tall resting ruckmen.

Considering how easy Richmond were delivering it into their forward line last game, I am surprised Vickery didn't kick 8. Rowe will contest and put his body on the line. I just worry about his decision making coming out of defence. It can easily come back very quickly.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:24 am 
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If we win today, I think it may spark some confidence in the team which may create some momentum. It is round 3 however this game is a season defining game. Go Blues.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:32 am 
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Clayman wrote:
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Frank - one player Rowe is our only concern and that's because he has been playing forward for most of his career. I think it's fair to give the guy a chance as a backman for a little while. Not saying I'm convinced on him.


I agree with this. MM is giving him an opportunity to play down back. Smart move considering our backs are small and will not be able to handle the opposition tall resting ruckmen.


I have been advocate of him playing back for a while. The issue is with Kruezer out and Casboult not playing he has to play as 2nd ruck. He was doing it against Richmond where he would do some ruck and then push back on to Vickery. Very hard to do effectively resting in defence.

Personally if he playing in the ruck I think he has to play fwd as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:02 am 
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Once again it's all about workrate for me across the whole ground. The first qtr against Port was some of the best football I have seen su play in years. After that we haven't fired a shot.

We need to work hard and do the basics well before anything else. We can have the best team on paper, best coaching, best plan, best structures etc but if we are lazy we will struggle.

All I hope for is a full 4 qtr effort from everybody.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:05 am 
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....Bombers will be in huge trouble tonight

I expect a big win to the blues...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:25 am 
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Not watching the cheats on principal. Got my footy fix for the weekend watching a couple of 1/4 from the other games yesterday.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:22 am 
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Wojee wrote:
Not watching the cheats on principal. Got my footy fix for the weekend watching a couple of 1/4 from the other games yesterday.



It's depressing watching other teams play. Seeing commitment, desperation, leadership and players backing in their skills just makes me so envious. From the top quality sides, to the GWS - Port - Doggies etc they are harbouring talent.

Even the pies - (the anti-carlton). They started a mini rebuild a bit over a year ago, whilst still contending for finals. Building assets for the future and playing the kids. Mark my words, they are already in a much better position for the future than us. Raided the last few drafts and are building on the run. Cleared out the old players whilst some still had value. They do everything we don't.

Have been on top of us for years. Thanks to a solid football and recruiting strategy. Will continue to be for a long time. VERY depressing watching the pies


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