Oh and Richo isnt important re Malthouse if the appointments were done properly in the first place... and in the last place...

MM didnt want Richo.. McKay was part of the procedure to bring MM in.. if it was above him.. then he is a patsy footy manager.. and shouldnt be in it.. cos they dont take his appointment seriously...

he is fundemantally involved in and in charge of everything football ... the buck stops with him....

Thats his job..... thats his job discription cimm...

if people blame malthouse for off season trading and ist management.. its ust as much mckays field and even more so if malthouse came in to help clear out the rot for him....he should know it better

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But you told me it was McKay.

You mean it might not be all McKay or that maybe it was McKay but he was operating under instruction.

I don't get it Synners.

You tell me it's McKay but

a) you can't point to the things he's done or
b) your not sure if he did them.

You might have to take the slippers off and put on some shoes and go have a look.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Face it Synners, you just don't know what the hell is going on but you've found a bone to gnaw on and it's called McKay.

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c imm ... ur not following

its mckays job.. if he isnt reponsible for his own job his another empty suit isnt he???

hard to swallow isnt it???.. but thats how it works...

problem number 1 with this footy club is the lack of accountability at every level.....

president unaccountable
ceo same
coaches same
recruitment same
footy manger same

equals to players same...

thats where its wrong to have guys from the 95 team in key posts around the club....

theyre not keeping each other accountable

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But what about McKay Synners, what about the Vet?

What exactly has he stuffed up?, he must have a litany of sins you can point too. Not just one or two.

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Welcome to the "sinners" club McKay.....must have something to do with the 1995 premiership side....

You’re right pafloyul it is about reality.
Reality and fact is we haven’t beaten anyone of substance this year and have lost to teams we were ahead of last year.

When we start beating teams of substance this year and consistently I will admit that we have improved under MM.
Making the eight is a borderline pass mark and a prelim is an improvement.

Until that time it’s a big negative any which way you look at it.

Next year the bar is raised again because of the year MM had in charge.
If he can’t make any headway with the list he is given this year then he’s not worth the money or the adulation he is extended. Next year is a totally different set of circumstances.
It’s hard to admit but that is the reality he is faced with and what he is judged on.

A club and coach is judged by its win/loss ratio and that is as simple as anyone can put it to.
We are judged on the final result of a game, season and ladder position.
Anyone can argue a deflection as they have in the past and will in the future,
but the coach’s final reality is in the result as was Rattens.

The beauty of this year is that there hasn’t been any big movement in the player list so we can judge worth of a experienced, successful and expensive coach with a rookie.

Malthouse will be judged by the logical and impartial moderator as Ratten was, no more no less.

God, I hope the interview McKay gave last year on the Carlton website was his weary way of showing his dissatisfaction with the situation because it wasn't pretty.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Of course but through the reality of the list and the competition as a whole. I don't know if I even think we have 'improved' under Malthouse, but that's using your waited definition.

The point is that he can only do so much. I think we are in a better position to improve. Are we where I thought we would be, no, but then again, I naively thought some of our tall forwards would burst on to the scene and the likes of Bell would have an impact. Add some of our 'stars' stepping up a notch and there you have it. However, even Malthouse can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. And, yes, I do think the club brought him in for immediate results but they got it wrong.

I just think you are pointing your angst in the wrong direction.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

McKay was appointed after Rattens extension and after all the assistant coaches were contracted in late 2011. He did not sign any of Collins, Joseph, Davies etc to long term deals which hamstrung us from getting rid of some or all of them at end of 2012.

Agree with Synbad re our recruiting, which has been average at best. Particularly the draft trade period at end of 2010, where none of our trades or recruits played last week and only Mciness looks capable of 150 games.

But McKay needs to given time before judgement is made. It may be time we don't have, but he cannot be blamed for decision made before he arrived.

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I see the Synbad show is still in full force. We all have interesting things to say, but they don't get more interesting the more times we repeat them. Yes I know I can ignore the repetitive 'you said' 'he said' 'I said' posts, but when you see an extra few pages, you expect new content not the same old stuff in slightly different words.

Cimm youre funny...!!!.. i asked you to tell me what McKay has done thats been any good??
You cannot..

OK.. explain the Robert Hyde appointment and set up.....

He didnt haav e anything to do with that??.... development for a season.. flushed down the toilet...
DEVELOPMENT... a season....!!!

Gone!!!

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Errrr......

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#DonTheStash

I'm convinced some of you guys don't have jobs

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I see you watching me watching you.

No Synners,

You explain it.

Tell us how it all went down.

Like you blamed McKay for Watson, Collins, Joseph, Davies but now it appears he didn't sign any of them.

This is '95 Premiership Paranoia.

Hoggy brings in bad weather, Spalding makes the weeds grow and Brad Pearce is the cause of odd socks .

You've finally lost it.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Read the thread that led to my original comment, in which you then chimed in with your unrelated one. You're an intelligent person (and I'm not trying to be a smart arse here-I've made that assessment from your posts over the years). You'll work out the connections from the superflous.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

He also admitted he did not want to appoint Clarkson (after being on the selection panel)
He also said that tactically, Scott waters is the best coach going around
He also didn't rate Geelong in 2011

Dare I say it, Dermie's opinions don't come with a watertight, rock solid guarantee

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

CEO only saved by change of coach otherwise he was gone

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Maybe Derm wants Ratts out of Hawthorn.... ?