No Praise for Ratts! (split topic)

my two cents · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:28 pm **Posts:** 572

redback wrote:

I know you're been condescending but so would I MTC.
The big games at the G and with some money spent on PP we would have our own little boutique that we could build into a home ground advantage like the interstates.
All the advantage of advertising, catering and hosting other lower crowd pulling games for gate taking.
Not a bad little earner.
Hawthorn and the Roos go to Tassie.
The Roos looking at Ballarat.
Richmond selling home games to Cairns.
Geelong has its own or doesn't that count because it's 60 km away.

Ok. Tell me how you are going to fit 40 - 50 k members plus opposition supporters into a 30k stadium ?

Hawks play in Tassie because the state govt sponsors them to play there. Also they have small Tassie supporter base that can fit into the local stadium. Not to mention all those pissed off supporters who could not get in due to capacity limitations.

Richmond SOLD games to Cairns different to playing without any committed income. Also being in Cairns they do not have to worry about fitting their Melbourne members into a small stadium.

Geelong's stadium build and refurbishment is supported by the local / state govt. That changes the economics significantly.

We would had have to refurbish Princes park at our own expense that would be another few millions just to bring it to basic standards, in addition to Legends stand debt to be recovered by 4 to 5 games a year. You do the simple maths. Any revenues you would get from catering, advertising etc would be insignificant compared to the running and debt servicing costs.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10575

Synbad wrote:

Surrey so we should go to Mildura????
Catering isnt lomg term success... bums on seats is.

if you can be more profitable with 25,000 bums on seats at some small groundthan with 40,000 at the Dome.. you still wouldnt do 25,000 seats.. cos that 25000 will shrink .... no t v coverage...

Its about growing not shrinking...

Geelong is 60 kms away but its another city...........

Its GEE-LONG...

Its not like NOR-WOOD surrey.... in the eastern suburban league second division... and not in the SANFL.

This GEELONG is another city.....

anyway.. what will be will be......

... you need to get off the prescription or whatever it is you take. Seriously it's killing your brain cells.

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:31 pm

Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

Synbad wrote:

So we are wantng the Lions /Voss model for success are we???

Why not look to offload a dud and bring in someone who can coach.

Like Freo???

That would require strategic planning, innovative thinking, detailed planning and someone with big cahunas to make important decisions....

Synbad - So Lyon is a great coach? and Mark Harvey is a dud?
Freo had major injuries last year, had an injury plagued list, 13 of his good players were injurred for most of the season, bit like the blues this year.

Lyon comes in, healthy list and amazingly they are going to make the 8. Freo made the 8 the previous year under harvey with a healthier list and finished well inside the 8 from memory.

But yeah, that is the key to success Synbad. If you have a injury plagued season, sack the coach, bring in a new coach.No doubt you will have a healthier list and have more success. By having that healthier list, that coach is a better coach? Simple thinking on that one.

Who ever coaches Carlton next year, whether it is Ratten, Malthouse, Laidley, Mark Williams is inheriting a top 4 team on paper. So as long as the list is healthy, i would expect the Blues to be up there next season. Ratten is a better coach then people think and if Malthouse doesn't want the job, we would have to do a long interview process like Melb and probably end up with a Mark Neeld type and the window is definitely closed.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:40 pm

Goltzenberg wrote:

Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

Synbad wrote:

So we are wantng the Lions /Voss model for success are we???

Why not look to offload a dud and bring in someone who can coach.

Like Freo???

That would require strategic planning, innovative thinking, detailed planning and someone with big cahunas to make important decisions....

Synbad - So Lyon is a great coach? and Mark Harvey is a dud?
Freo had major injuries last year, had an injury plagued list, 13 of his good players were injurred for most of the season, bit like the blues this year.

Lyon comes in, healthy list and amazingly they are going to make the 8. Freo made the 8 the previous year under harvey with a healthier list and finished well inside the 8 from memory.

But yeah, that is the key to success Synbad. If you have a injury plagued season, sack the coach, bring in a new coach.No doubt you will have a healthier list and have more success. By having that healthier list, that coach is a better coach? Simple thinking on that one.

Who ever coaches Carlton next year, whether it is Ratten, Malthouse, Laidley, Mark Williams is inheriting a top 4 team on paper. So as long as the list is healthy, i would expect the Blues to be up there next season. Ratten is a better coach then people think and if Malthouse doesn't want the job, we would have to do a long interview process like Melb and probably end up with a Mark Neeld type and the window is definitely closed.

how do you know its a top 4 team on paper.. weve never finshed in the top 4.

Maybe we should get Harvey then Goltz... lol

And Lyon is a 3 times gf coach....

must be ok

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:40 pm

ThePsychologist wrote:

If this is true he is a joke! :banghead:

Damian Barrett:

"Carlton's crisis deepens with one of their recruiters admitting they erred in not selecting Jordan Murdoch in the 2011 draft.

The stunning concession calls into question Carlton's list management at the end of season 2011 where they were left with only the minimum 3 draft picks, forcing Carlton to miss the highly rated Murdoch, nominated for Rising Star in round 22, in favour of mature-aged tall forward Sam Rowe, who was selected at the insistence of outgoing coach Ratten.

Geelong's recruiting guru Stephen Wells, given considerable autonomy by Geelong's wise and patient football department, selected Murdoch with their 3rd pick in 2011. Murdoch, along with the likes of Christensen, Duncan, Smedts, Vardy, Motlop, Menzel, Hunt, Guthrie and Stringer is forming the nucleus of Geelong's next era. Meanwhile Carlton, dogged by Ratten's interference with recruiting relies on mature-aged recruits and rookie listers to top up their flagging list."

Oh yea, Ratten wanted a key forward in our depleted forward line stocks, not a midfielder. Whats wrong with that? Thought we recruited enough midfielders :donk:

Its just bad luck Rowe had testicular cancer.

Seriously!!! :hitcomputer:

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:41 pm

ThePsychologist wrote:

If this is true he is a joke! :banghead:

Damian Barrett:

"Carlton's crisis deepens with one of their recruiters admitting they erred in not selecting Jordan Murdoch in the 2011 draft.

The stunning concession calls into question Carlton's list management at the end of season 2011 where they were left with only the minimum 3 draft picks, forcing Carlton to miss the highly rated Murdoch, nominated for Rising Star in round 22, in favour of mature-aged tall forward Sam Rowe, who was selected at the insistence of outgoing coach Ratten.

Geelong's recruiting guru Stephen Wells, given considerable autonomy by Geelong's wise and patient football department, selected Murdoch with their 3rd pick in 2011. Murdoch, along with the likes of Christensen, Duncan, Smedts, Vardy, Motlop, Menzel, Hunt, Guthrie and Stringer is forming the nucleus of Geelong's next era. Meanwhile Carlton, dogged by Ratten's interference with recruiting relies on mature-aged recruits and rookie listers to top up their flagging list."

Seriously!!! :hitcomputer:

Oh yea, Ratten wanted a key forward in our depleted forward line stocks, not a midfielder. Whats wrong with that? Thought we recruited enough midfielders :donk:

Its just bad luck Rowe had testicular cancer.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Goltzenberg wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

If this is true he is a joke! :banghead:

Damian Barrett:

"Carlton's crisis deepens with one of their recruiters admitting they erred in not selecting Jordan Murdoch in the 2011 draft.

The stunning concession calls into question Carlton's list management at the end of season 2011 where they were left with only the minimum 3 draft picks, forcing Carlton to miss the highly rated Murdoch, nominated for Rising Star in round 22, in favour of mature-aged tall forward Sam Rowe, who was selected at the insistence of outgoing coach Ratten.

Geelong's recruiting guru Stephen Wells, given considerable autonomy by Geelong's wise and patient football department, selected Murdoch with their 3rd pick in 2011. Murdoch, along with the likes of Christensen, Duncan, Smedts, Vardy, Motlop, Menzel, Hunt, Guthrie and Stringer is forming the nucleus of Geelong's next era. Meanwhile Carlton, dogged by Ratten's interference with recruiting relies on mature-aged recruits and rookie listers to top up their flagging list."

Seriously!!! :hitcomputer:

Oh yea, Ratten wanted a key forward in our depleted forward line stocks, not a midfielder. Whats wrong with that? Thought we recruited enough midfielders :donk:

Its just bad luck Rowe had testicular cancer.

I think you needto read the whole topic! :yikes:

Goltzenberg · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:52 pm

Synbad wrote:

So we are wantng the Lions /Voss model for success are we???

Why not look to offload a dud and bring in someone who can coach.

Like Freo???

That would require strategic planning, innovative thinking, detailed planning and someone with big cahunas to make important decisions....[/quote]

Synbad - So Lyon is a great coach? and Mark Harvey is a dud?
Freo had major injuries last year, had an injury plagued list, 13 of his good players were injurred for most of the season, bit like the blues this year.

Lyon comes in, healthy list and amazingly they are going to make the 8. Freo made the 8 the previous year under harvey with a healthier list and finished well inside the 8 from memory.

But yeah, that is the key to success Synbad. If you have a injury plagued season, sack the coach, bring in a new coach.No doubt you will have a healthier list and have more success. By having that healthier list, that coach is a better coach? Simple thinking on that one.

Who ever coaches Carlton next year, whether it is Ratten, Malthouse, Laidley, Mark Williams is inheriting a top 4 team on paper. So as long as the list is healthy, i would expect the Blues to be up there next season. Ratten is a better coach then people think and if Malthouse doesn't want the job, we would have to do a long interview process like Melb and probably end up with a Mark Neeld type and the window is definitely closed.[/quote]

how do you know its a top 4 team on paper.. weve never finshed in the top 4.

Maybe we should get Harvey then Goltz... lol[/quote]

Is that your way of saying you have NFI? By a stupid joke? Fremantle finished 6th in 2010 with 13 wins. Have a injury plagued 2011 and sack the coach and now Lyon is a hero. And thats your logic :clap:

Michael Jezz · **Joined:** Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:52 pm **Posts:** 2044

Goltz are you blind, we just lost to the second bottom side with half it's best 22 out. We had the standard 5 out. How does that reflect on ratten?

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:04 pm

Sinners is on a role, he hasn't time to think things through

Juddy&theKruezers · **Joined:** Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm **Posts:** 4426

Any new coach will not be inheriting a top 4 team....IMO he will be inheriting a rabble structureless team who could not even beat a start up club with finals on the line....any new coach has a lot of work to do....

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:10 pm

Goltz.

6th how is that playing in a gf????

CK95 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:51 pm

limestone wrote:

Lets hope we don't turn on the new coach in his first year.

So that's a No to Bomba Thompson then?

Effes · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:59 am

Goltzenberg wrote:

Lyon comes in, healthy list

Yeh, Sandilands has only missed 10 games.

Fyfe has only missed 13 games

:lol:

The_Wookie · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:52 am **Posts:** 1197

Sunday Footy Show - Brett Ratten
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Juanita Jones · **Joined:** Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:30 pm **Posts:** 4180

Hey Wookie, I did tell you to take the next two weeks off. :grin:

The_Wookie · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:52 am **Posts:** 1197

people keep telling me what to do, or how i should think. Ill go down with the ship like any honourable gentleman would. As usual, its the women and children that are already in the lifeboats.

Disclaimer: apologies to any actual women or childen. The previous statement was meant as a joke.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:07 am

Tony Shaw been reading TC?

Carlton great Robert Walls warns former club against knee-jerk reaction to Blues' loss to Gold Coast
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 6458616271

Quote:

"The only reason (Carlton) will make a change is not based on reality, not based on facts, not based on (Ratten's) performance," Shaw said on 3AW.

"It's going to be based on some ego-driven board members who want to cover their backside by getting someone with a massive name into that club to cover their backside over the next three years.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Effes wrote:

Goltzenberg wrote:

Lyon comes in, healthy list

Yeh, Sandilands has only missed 10 games.

Fyfe has only missed 13 games

:lol:

Whether you like Lyon or not his ability to get the best out of players and to get them to play a team style football where everyone has and understands their role is impressive.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:20 am

camelboy wrote:

Tony Shaw been reading TC?

Carlton great Robert Walls warns former club against knee-jerk reaction to Blues' loss to Gold Coast
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-pre ... 6458616271

Quote:

"The only reason (Carlton) will make a change is not based on reality, not based on facts, not based on (Ratten's) performance," Shaw said on 3AW.

"It's going to be based on some ego-driven board members who want to cover their backside by getting someone with a massive name into that club to cover their backside over the next three years.

I think reading Shaws and Walls comments there it all but confirms that the players were on strike and keeping Ratten is not going to fix that

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