What they said!

Words words words...but that doesn't make you realistic.
I'd suggest they are the ideals of an optimistic.

We are where we are in 2012: can't change that.
What should we do after the the 2012 season?
Is there no way we can win the flag this year? Next year?

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Yeah we should've taken Rich instaed of Yarran....bloody Kernahan

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The list cloggers are the superfluous types
Positions that we have a million off and rob of us midfield options

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You might want to change the name of your gang MJ. Not very realistic ideas there. Just reactionary rubbish.
Malthouse plan B ??? He tried that once in his tenure and we all loved how that turned out.
Sacking Ratts while he is one game off top??
Kernahan out? Sheeeeeep. Following your gang leader on that one.
Trade Gibbs- If you got the super deal you would look at it like any player on our list but seriously writing Gibbs off after a bad 2 games out of 7 is pretty reactionary to me.
Panic merchants sounds like more appropriate name for your gang.

It might turn out we are complete crap and the season goes the way of the Crows last year but surely you dont want to throw in the towel that easy. Your attitude sounds like that of the 22 in the second on monday night. Harden the F$%^ up Panic Merchants. Lift !!

We can work hard and fight our way back into contention. This season is still up for grabs !

Clarity hit me today after the dust settled from Monday night. How are Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood doing ATM? The strategy is not to peak in round 7. Yes it hurts that Essendon* are flying, but werent they this time last year? Weren't the media talking top 4 for them round 7 last year? How did that work out for them? Lets judge in October how are team list, game plan, coaching staff are because I reckon maybe, just maybe we have it right.

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You mean to tell me the president doesnt set the tone around the club.??
Vision and innovation = money = resources = better ability to source the right people and facilititate development throughout the club.
= less reliance on One Family for handouts (make that two)

We still rely on charity (donations) we have an eight million dollar debt.
Obviously were running on a limited budget.I know everybodys budget is limited.. but ours is half of Collingwoods and were in debt.

Its no secret Ratten was and probably is one of the least paid coaches i the league
Matty Primus is reportedly paid the least.....

Vision!!! whats the vision????
Whats the business plan????

Whats the message from the club???It kind of reeks as a no message club.

"I am Carlton " What the hell does that mean???

Id love to ask Sticks what that means.!!!... certainly doesnt mean mediocre...!!!

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Youre looking at Geelong (3 times flag winners Collingwood 1 time and Hawthorn 1 time) ????
those clubs have won flags...!!!.. we havent won anything but number 1 picks in the last 17 years!!!
Theyre allowed to have a down year... but while theyre having a down year... we better be position ourselves for the big day out as best we can!!!

Hawthorn have hardly had Hodge this year.. thats like us without Juddy... we bemoan losing Carrazzo... Id back Hawthorn over us any day of the week till we prove otherwise.

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A down year after 7 rounds? You have actually reinforced my point here. Lets have the conversation about these 'down years' in October. Those 3 teams will figure heavily in September because that is what they are planning for.

In terms of premierships: Geelong was 7-8 years in development and planning (by their own admission) to get the first. Hawthorn was way ahead of its time to win one (by their own admission) Collingwood played St Kilda.

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PS I really liked 'I am Carlton' Campaign. Too often we have too many 'supporters' looking at our team from afar. Lets make it personal and get them involved. Lets get our support base to bring this club to rival then surpass Collingwood.

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Well i would think collingwood have been abit castrated with some heavy duty injuries.
Geelong?? well you cant win 3 flags in 5 years lose champions like they have (including the best player in the competition arguably)and still be top dog...
We only had to lose Carrazzo and were fupped... right???

Hawthorn???.. they will come good... especially when they play us.

the point is last week we were 5 and 1 and everybody said .. youd take that at the start of the year right???(beating collingwood)
Which is ridiculous cos if i asked them at the start of the year.. will we lose to Essendon* and StKilda and take till the last quarter to lose GWS they would laugh at me.

The further point is .......................... sometimes you must take your chances as they come along ..
we should have beaten all those teams .. and the Collingwood one is a bonus that we took...!!!

Were sitting 7 and zero and everybody else is scrambling around us.

Getting back to your point about September....in order to have a show in September.. what you do the rest of the year is of the utmost importance!!

You cant have a September without the week to week grind to be there

Thats where you do the work to be in the best possible position.

You dont just get jetisoned into September.

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Involved cos of the slogan ????

sounds like a short cut to me...

that in a nutshell is the problem!!!

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Im giggling about comparing ourselves to Geelong Hawthorn and Collingwood.

who is the odd one out in that company ????(Last decade)

Geelong 3 flags 1 gf loss
Hawthorn 1 flag 0 gf losses
Collingwood 1 flag 3 gf losses
Carlton 0 flags 0 gf losses 3 spoons.

"hawthorn won one ahead of their time" its called take your chances when everybody around you falls over.

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The other teams and us would be sitting with the year planned out - this number of wins, this number of losses. Gone are the days that you walk into a season saying you are going to win every game. It is just not realistic given the eveness of the competition, and the intensity of the competition. You cant maintain the finals intensity for 1/2 calendar year. It is just not possible.

I think we would be on par at the moment - lost 2 we shouldnt have, won 2 we shouldnt have (including Freo at Subi here).

The strategy is to win games early on whilst not being at your peak physical and mental abilities. Then build a surge at the end of the season. The training, sports science and psychology is all geared to that.

For us, I would have looked at the year and say right - lets start strong and get games under the belt, have a lull until the middle of the season, ramp up again for mid season where we play the 'Top 4' 4 weeks running, then lull and ramp into finals.

Check your win loss ratio every week and re-adjust as necessary.

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I'm still pissed off. I cannot stomach this loss. I keep looking for answers and who to blame.
I keep thinking maybe we should not have rested players against GWS and therefore set a little complacency in the group.
I keep thinking the coaches are to blame for not supporting Waite up forward.
I keep wanting to blame Riley & Williams (midfield coaching group).
I keep thinking maybe the players are just not good enough - my 1st thought after the game.
I just don't know what to think. What I do know is the team is going to need to do a lot of work to get me confident and thinking positive again.

Not going into a marketing discussion here. You cant win Darth

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Re adjust your win loss ratio????

If you can do that youd choose to win every fuppin game right???

Why the hell would you be checking your win loss ration and re adjusting if necessary???

Look i prefer to have debates face to face... its flower stuff liek this that freaks me out about the internet...
I wanna know whats behind blue eyes now!!!...im curious!!!

Ok blue eyes...????

Its like this... you win every @#$%&! game you can!!!.. you wn them ... you stomp them.. you meet them in the GF and you stomp em again!!!... you win the flag... and you unveil it first home game.

I think youre confused....!!!.. your win loss ratio and re adjust accordingly when youre at the bottom and theyre handing out flower number 1 draft picks and priority picks...

Not again after youve been that damn dusty road!!!

Following????

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Thats a very 1970's way of thinking.

By re-adjust, you would re-adjust your training and psychology to peak at different times to when you originally planned. Its not rocket surgery.

As i said - you cant aim to be up and win every game. They are unrealistic expectations. Like any business expecting to have gun sales results every single month - outdoing every other month. It is just not feasilble. You plan for the peaks and troughs and make the most of your resources when you are going to get the most reward - ie September.

I follow your point of view, but dont agree with it.

You chuckle at comparing ourselves to G, CW and H. And you dismiss planning a season out. What do you think CW, G and H are doing?

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i think theyre trying to win as many games as they can to finish top 4 and have a double chance.

what do you think theyre doing???

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Exactly. They are aiming for a top 4 position. And they are planning for that. And planning that they dont run out of puff when they get there.

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