Ask yourself why the players don't kick it to him
Cloke was dropped for not attending a training session his game was good enough for him to be selected again - I'm not sure wif he will get picked this week I think Jacobs or Warnock will come in

Setanta has to go

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Sorry, but i dissagree.

Setanta has been out best option accross CHF this year and we have nobody else! I'd love to see waite accross CHF but he's injured and otherwise needed down back.

Not playing him in the Essendon* game earlier in the year showed how important he CAN be. Waite was thrown down back and we had nobody else.

Setanta is down on form and looks to be playing injured, but to say he "HAS TO GO" is a bit much. I just simply think you don't like him. Which is fine, everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

I believe he is a much needed player. His versitilty cant be matched really. Throw him down back, up forward and even in the ruck.


Could Cloke go back? Shit no! He can barely make it as a forwad. 6 goal from 9 matches this year proves that.

Hampson has delivered just 4 goals from 14 matches this season so he's clearly not up to being a forward and because he's useless beneath he's knee's and has only taken 32 marks this whole year he's no good on a wing where Setanta proves a valuable contested mark (see the StKilda, Essendon* & fremantle games before his injury).

Warnock could be good but who really knows at this stage.

Hartlett is injury prone and has shown very little if anything in the Bullants.

Jacobs is a good crash and bang ruckman - but that's about all you could ask from him.


Kreuzer is out best option (apart from Fevola) in the forward 50, but he will always be rotating through the ruck and i would never even think about throwing him down back.

Also, it's worth noting that Kreuzer and Setanta have both kicked the same amount of goals this season (both on 12) yet Setanta has done it in half as many games!


To say "Setanta has to go" is a bit over the top IMO.

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Stop looking at the now and think ahead- Austin and Krues should have spent this year developing as CHF - Instead we wasted half the year on Cloke the middle bit and Fisher and the last half on Setanta and a bit of time on Wiggins - Poor list and player management if you ask me
None will be any good - Stop this thinking he is the best we have got - we know that and it is not good enough - have to develop some one else or find some one else who has time and size on his hands - both Austin and Kruez have that - the rest have missed their chance

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Did he shag your girlfriend, SB?

No I just bring balance to the force - there are to many supporters that look upon this bloke as knight in shining armour and he never gets the proper scrutiny he deserves -

I'm here doing it

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I am thinking ahead.

We stopped playing Setanta down back and started using him accross the forward line and wing in CHF style and he looked quite settled and important. Then, he got injured and has been so-so since.

Like i said, we have been developing Kreuzer accross the CHF line and he really is the best option we have going forward, but he still has only delivered 12 goals from 22 games this year. The same ammount as Setanta who has done it in half as many games.

Austin was tried up forward a few times and didn't do much and in 9 games he has returned 1 goal. I have high hopes for him, but at this stage, Setanta is a much better opion.



Look, aggree to disagree.................. But at this stage, Setanta looks to be our best option. I think we should try and draft a good CHF this year but he'll take a good 3-5 years to show anything. Who are you gonna use for those 3-5 years when we are playing finals and our windows open up?????
Remember, Josh Kennedy has only shown what he's capable of this year............ his 4th year of football.

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But the force is good, which means you must be on the dark side

Which means Kruezer should be blooded as a CHF now.

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A balanced witch-hunt like in Salem.

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Isn't that what we've been doing?

Or would you prefer to play him 100% in the forward line and not in the ruck? Cause i've gotta say, Kreuzer is easilly our best tap ruckman and a much needed one at that!

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I'd like to bring balance to the farce as well

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Indie, ok, Hopefully as in the problem gets sorted, possibly same problems as last year with leg.

And guys, give SB a break, he used to irritate me with his irrational dislike of Setanta, but it is kind of amusing now, like a panto baddie.

SB really, do you really think your view is balanced if so, balanced as in to counter the positive stuff people say or balanced as in an honest unbiased view?

SB =

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I love Irish and think his last few weeks have been simply terrible.

If he is playing injured fair enough but if its just form well he is really moving into that depth player position and from there who knows.

Was so impressed with his great games this year but this is the business end ... where reps are forged ... hopefully he can bloody well forge one!

Must agree with "Dannyboy'" regarding the number of players used !!

Good sides will hit up who ever is available in the right position. It creates a number of concerns for the opposition. Defenders will hesitate in deciding if they should fill a hole or indeed cover their own opposition player. This strategy alone creates space. And if your a good side, when you create space you use it!!

I too noticied how often Setanta was overlooked, at times he wasn't the best option, but on a number of occassions he should have been hit up to force Adeliades hand to push a tall down back.!! The obvious upside helping our defence not having to handle another tall forward!

Sometimes you gotta give a little to gain a lot. Use the players presenting, will cause uncertainty, use the same players maintains the predictability.

It's not always the quality of the player, but how they work for the betterment of the team. Use Setanta, or Cloke whoever it is, they must create the uncertainty, and if they are not respected by pressing defenders against them, make sure they count on the scoreboard.

The concern I have is that as a tall forward he doesn't actually play like one often enough.

I don't see him leading with much purpose...you really have to aggressively to get the attention of the ball carrier and the attention of a defender.

When one of our mids has the ball 70m you don't get the impression they're keen to bomb it to him as he can't/won't get in the best position to mark. He's had games where he's taken contested marks such as against Geelong however he doesn't do it enough. Maybe he is still not fit after the hit from Fev.

You see KP forwards like Kennedy and Petrie actually lead with purpose and rightfully used by the player in position. They aren't that quick...Setanta should watch some tapes of them to see how they go about it.

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Let's look at a few positives instead of forever going on about negatives. How long has he been played as a forward? How long have Petrie and JK played as forwards? The guy's come a long way ina short time when he got over the injury that held him back. He will continue learning quickly given the opportunity. Now he's fighting back from another severe setback from Fevola's taking him out. IMO a big isue is that Fevola demands the ball to the detriment of other forwards and smashes into other forwards.

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I remember Leigh Matthews saying that successful teams tend to have a couple of swing players. I.e. Those that can be swung both forward and have an impact or back to cover someone (Think of Bradshaw and Leppich). They give the coach maneuverability for any tactical changes.

Both Waite and Irish are these types of players. Both are needed and should continue to be developed.

Also Irish is starting to read the next play of the game which is a good sign.