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Apologies if this has already been asked but at any stage was gibbs on gibson?

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Drop him... are you serious.. it's NAB cup guys!

My lord, a couple of average pre-season games and the guy's career is done. Grow a brain people. You're the same guys that were saying Stevens was a hack because he wasn't getting 30+ possies a game last year (while carrying a significant injury).

Mental state is as important (or even more so) than physical state. A common thought is that 90% of footy is played above the shoulders. Lance will come good and will be a match winning contributor in the near future, when he gets his head right and his confidence going. And the only way for that to happen is to keep playing. Dropping him will do him and the team no good.

He won the B&F last year in a very tough year. He was considered for all Australian selection and widely considered one of the top 50 players in the league. 6 months later and he is a hack! He gives the team more potency, more experience and more flexibility. He is a different type of player to most of our team - and thats a positive.

Settle down people and time will show that Lance has plenty to offer.


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Drop him... are you serious.. it's NAB cup guys!

My lord, a couple of average pre-season games and the guy's career is done. Grow a brain people. You're the same guys that were saying Stevens was a hack because he wasn't getting 30+ possies a game last year (while carrying a significant injury).

Mental state is as important (or even more so) than physical state. A common thought is that 90% of footy is played above the shoulders. Lance will come good and will be a match winning contributor in the near future, when he gets his head right and his confidence going. And the only way for that to happen is to keep playing. Dropping him will do him and the team no good.

He won the B&F last year in a very tough year. He was considered for all Australian selection and widely considered one of the top 50 players in the league. 6 months later and he is a hack! He gives the team more potency, more experience and more flexibility. He is a different type of player to most of our team - and thats a positive.

Settle down people and time will show that Lance has plenty to offer.



Bananas....

90% of the game is played above the shoulders?
Well go and bring a guy in on a wheel chair and get him to play footy and prove your point..


You must be listening to Pagan talks too much...

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the cliche relates to taking athletes of similar abilities - not someone in a wheel chair.

Just to spell it out for you Synbad, two athletes of similar abilities take the field, the one that has his brain switched on the game will be the winner. Take Fev as a case in point. Can be damn awful when not switched on, and a liability for the team. When he has his mind on the game, he is just about the best player going around in the game at the moment. Make any sense? If you don't understand that, then I guess I should just give up.


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the cliche relates to taking athletes of similar abilities - not someone in a wheel chair.

Just to spell it out for you Synbad, two athletes of similar abilities take the field, the one that has his brain switched on the game will be the winner. Take Fev as a case in point. Can be damn awful when not switched on, and a liability for the team. When he has his mind on the game, he is just about the best player going around in the game at the moment. Make any sense? If you don't understand that, then I guess I should just give up.


You should give it up... cos youre talking about something different now.

You see... by the time Lances mind quickly thinks about what he has to do with the ball... the opposition player has it and is off creating... meanwhile Lance is playing the game in his own head....

Thats the reality of football in 2007.

And when he cant chase and run.. it means someone else in the side has to pick up Lances slack.... which means we are playing with less effective footballers on the ground.

Its about the reality of the subject..

Not whats going on in Lances head...

And you know what???.. the game isnt going to suddenly get slower for Lance...... if you plotted a graph of the games speed over the last 5 years youd see the game is increasingly faster and will continue to go that way.
The AFL want it faster.. the coaches want it faster.. and people want it faster.... everyone wants it faster except Lance!!...

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So I guess you're saying that Greg Williams wouldn't get a game for the blues in 2007? And Sam Mitchell should quit right now for the Hawks? I could name a few more if you don't get the point!

Footy, just like life, isn't black and white. Fast doesn't mean the end of Lance. You can't have 22 fast players and no smart/creative/skillfull players. You are so focused on his negatives and are forgetting his positives. He is a great positioner, marker of the footy, has good disposal and is an excellent on field leader and director.

Fast just means we have a game plan that plays to our strengths. And Lance has plenty of those. I'm happy to take a wager with you that Lance will bounce back and be a very good contributer this year. Interested?


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So I guess you're saying that Greg Williams wouldn't get a game for the blues in 2007? And Sam Mitchell should quit right now for the Hawks? I could name a few more if you don't get the point!

Footy, just like life, isn't black and white. Fast doesn't mean the end of Lance. You can't have 22 fast players and no smart/creative/skillfull players. You are so focused on his negatives and are forgetting his positives. He is a great positioner, marker of the footy, has good disposal and is an excellent on field leader and director.

Fast just means we have a game plan that plays to our strengths. And Lance has plenty of those. I'm happy to take a wager with you that Lance will bounce back and be a very good contributer this year. Interested?

So i guess youre comparing Lance Whitnall to Greg Williams??? :lol:

Look mate.. we will never know about Williams playing in 2007.. but try to use abit of logic............ now just pay attention ok?
1)Lance will never be a Williams...
2) Lance is playing at the moment and he is TOO SLOW....

Nothing you say can change those two ever... ever.... no matter how you wanna word things... no matter how you twist and turn.....

Whats a good contrubuter???Wanna put that in some dimmensions for the wager???
will he do good jobs on Jonathon Brown types??..
Will he kick more than 40 goals???
Will he play accountable football and stay with his man??


Or are we talking a season where he plays the odd good game... gets away and kicks the odd bag cos Kennedy is holding down CHF aged 19..??
Or Setanta has to play on Hall... ??

What kind of contribution are you talking about??
Want to outline the contribution youre expecting from him??? :wink:

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What I am saying is Slow doesn't equal useless ... simple. No twists, no turns. You're very simple minded to think that. I guess the MC was watching a different Whitnall to you when they voted him our best player last year. And I doubt he has fallen away from that in 6 months, or the game has changed that much.

My conditions are simple. $50 says that Lance finishes in our top 10 in the B&F, barring injuries. If he plays 20+ games then a top ten finish shows his worth. If he plays less than 20 games because of injury then we can prorata his votes in the B&F if you like.

You think he isn't in our best 22, so a top 10 finish should prove you wrong. According to you, he has no worth to the team. He will require the opposition to play a very good defender on him or pay the price. Simple.


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Enough on @#$%&! Lance the only reason you ever post on here now dosnt matter what the subject is you turn it into a Lance bash @#$%&! grow up and face facts he is the Captain his form thus far hasnt been great but maybe he has an injury or some of the off field dramas.

He should be given same scrutiny as any other player but same leaway if he is carrying a injury like any other player

But FFS give it up Synbad i think everyone knows your hatred of Lance and how you pot him on every oppertunity no matter if he plays well or badly... Just give it a rest i think we all bored of you answering every post with a Lance bash flower grow up

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Wolfe... splendid

can't believe i let Synbad suck me into such a stupid argument


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Synbad mate.

So called supporters like you make me sick. I see them every week at the game bagging the crap out of their team and not supporting them. Go NYTdog.

You forget that Lance came very close to earning an All Australian center half back birth only last year.


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Enough on flower Lance the only reason you ever post on here now dosnt matter what the subject is you turn it into a Lance bash flower grow up and face facts he is the Captain his form thus far hasnt been great but maybe he has an injury or some of the off field dramas.

He should be given same scrutiny as any other player but same leaway if he is carrying a injury like any other player

But FFS give it up Synbad i think everyone knows your hatred of Lance and how you pot him on every oppertunity no matter if he plays well or badly... Just give it a rest i think we all bored of you answering every post with a Lance bash flower grow up
Listen Wolfe you stick to what you do best... (useless synopsis' of just about anything) and leave this to me and ntdog..ok???


NTdog.. i knew youd make a bet where Lance finishes top 10 in a bnf... in a club that he is captain and third oldest player...

I want to know if you think he will be a FRONTLINE player .. playing like a captain or FRONTLINE player at any other club???

Not if hes going to play unaccountable footy leaving all the hard work to a bunch of kids ok???

Now get specific... what are you expecting from Lance...??

Wolfe... wanna write a 10 page synopsis of how Lance is a gun and we just have to watch and see???

Cos thats the kind of la la land stuff you specialise in...

As for me.. i like concentrating on problems.. and offering solutions.

For example....Fixing the Big Red problem.... back to where we can call him 'Big Red'.. the solution is in a Bullants jumper...

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Synbad mate.

So called supporters like you make me sick. I see them every week at the game bagging the crap out of their team and not supporting them. Go NYTdog.

You forget that Lance came very close to earning an All Australian center half back birth only last year.


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Bearzo, do you know nytdog?

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Synbad mate.

So called supporters like you make me sick. I see them every week at the game bagging the crap out of their team and not supporting them. Go NYTdog.

You forget that Lance came very close to earning an All Australian center half back birth only last year.


How could i forget???
Remind me how you know he came close to an ALL Australian CHB berth again????
Whats your source???

Look im not going to bag Lance about stuff that doesnt concern me.. (Like he lets his Mrs wear his old yellow hair bleach out.. ) but ... i can say Lance is over the hill...as much as i like on here.. cos thats what this forum is all about.
Stating your views.

Its not my fault i can see things happen way before you and a couple of others...
thats just how we were created.

Excellent first up post... get in line...!! :wink:

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Bearzo wrote:
Synbad mate.

So called supporters like you make me sick. I see them every week at the game bagging the crap out of their team and not supporting them. Go NYTdog.

You forget that Lance came very close to earning an All Australian center half back birth only last year.


:roll:

Bearzo, do you know nytdog?


Its called fictional supporters...

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Synbad, how about something positive on our list, there must be someone out there whos not a teenager that did something good once?

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maybe i do write synopsis but at least i have more than one subject and hey just a point of view beats the hell out of every post ridiculing a single player namely Lance and my only comment is that dosnt matter what you post these days or where you just have to bash Lance

Really dosnt matter what the subject is about just got to take your pot shots well fair enuff i have my useless synopsis that fine at least they are of the subject at hand better than sounding like a broken record about a single player in every post you made 9400 posts wonder if 9399 where of bashing Lance

Geez if the blues trade Lance or he retires you will have nothing to talk about

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Cazzesman wrote:
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whitnall should be dropped for the grand final

prefer harts and jk than whits and jk


So you don't think his family being torn apart and the media beating it to death isn't having an effect on his footy. It would effect anyone. You don't drop your Capt for a GF. Have you know common sense?

Regards Cazzesman

Drop him... too slow.. and is a liability.
Captain or not he is showing nothing ... unless hes doing it all behind closed doors.
If he has personal issues give him 6 months to get his head sorted out ...

He will play the odd good game or the odd good quarter... but hes too slow and the ball was rocketing out of the half forward line when he was on the ground....
That has nothing to do with his headspace and everything to do with his capabilities...


Give Hartlett a go in the forward line.

There is no way youd put games into Lance right now before Fisher Kennedy Hartlett and Fev.
Rhere is no way youd put games into Lance in the backline at this point of our development before you play games into Setanta Waite T Bird Bower..(and Austin coming up) and if you did how long would you be looking at not playing some of them so you can sneak a slow Lance into a side in this day and age??
Lance is disposable...

Unless he can reinvent himself to run faster .. jump higher.. kick off more than one step (because he cant get back fast enough to move the ball on) take a contested mark.. etc...

Really.. if you have a look at him there has been some gross negligence by whoever chose him as captain...


Give it a rest and roast me some coffee.

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Drop him... too slow.. and is a liability.
Captain or not he is showing nothing ... unless hes doing it all behind closed doors.
If he has personal issues give him 6 months to get his head sorted out ...

He will play the odd good game or the odd good quarter... but hes too slow and the ball was rocketing out of the half forward line when he was on the ground....
That has nothing to do with his headspace and everything to do with his capabilities...


Give Hartlett a go in the forward line.

There is no way youd put games into Lance right now before Fisher Kennedy Hartlett and Fev.
Rhere is no way youd put games into Lance in the backline at this point of our development before you play games into Setanta Waite T Bird Bower..(and Austin coming up) and if you did how long would you be looking at not playing some of them so you can sneak a slow Lance into a side in this day and age??
Lance is disposable...

Unless he can reinvent himself to run faster .. jump higher.. kick off more than one step (because he cant get back fast enough to move the ball on) take a contested mark.. etc...

Really.. if you have a look at him there has been some gross negligence by whoever chose him as captain...


Give it a rest and roast me some coffee.

Regards Cazzesman


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