BV sometimes you confuse me.
I'm pretty sure you where one of the "apatchy" that where advocating "tanking", etc for the better of the club, yet your last post is completely the opposite.
Welcome aboard the winners/forward thinkers.....I think.

Libba was wanted by a few clubs,he had just come of a GF win with the box hill hawks.

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Feel my love...............

This is about the future Surrey.
I'm glad we won 4.5 games instead of 5.5. To me that is forward thinking.

This topic is about creating a winning successful environment within the football department.
Terry Daniher has been sacked by 2 clubs in the past 3 years.
Does that not ring a bell to anyone?

If you were looking for an employee, would you hire someone who 2 of your more successful competitors sacked?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Carlton will be better off with Dempsey and TD. Both successfull players who are respected. Time will tell to see if they were great pick ups but they both have had coaching experience. With each coaching experience they have seen improovement in the side!. TD has a personallity which could help the younger blokes to relate to him... Good Luck

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SB, I think 'Tank' Theory is dead

We are in a catch 22. We do not have the finances to attract good assistants or even administrators to assist to be successful and yet we need success to attract such people.

The comment that we have been battling just to stay afloat is correct and a lot of people have done yeoman work in doing this.

Having had a chat to a couple of people today, I sense the problem at the club is not neccessirily leadership as such or even finances but direction. Ie everybody pulling in the same direction working for the common purpose, it would appear that there are one or two factions working against each other and quite frankly that is not good enough. There are rumours of some sort of challange against the board and I find this dissappointing. What I am hoping is that everyone realises that they should be working toward the one goal and put aside thier differences to acheivce that end. If we continue to infight and have people activly working against each other we will continue to be a rabble on and off field.

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A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06

He was sacked by the Pies after a GRAND FINAL loss and by the Saints after they bailed out in a PRELIMINARY FINAL.. whatever he was doing wrong he mustnt have been doing it THAT wrong...

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BM...hit nail on the head.
Now why are we getting factions and not everyone working towards the one goal? Unfortunately, we need to wipe the place clean again. As bad as it sounds, this administration was NOT strong enough and united as one to take up the challange. Collo .....(will get shot down again but stiff).... is an Elliott clone but more financially savvie and not nearly as marketable savvie.
CarltonOne have been extremely disappointing in a lot of ways, except getting the finances back on track which is what Collo does best.

I'll just add this.
Collo should be the CFO of a company with a different MD.
That is the reason Elliott/Collo combination was so good, because two bulls would pelt each other day in day out but get the job done by keeping each other honest.
We don't have anyone tough enough to challange Collo in his day to day running of the company or atleast keep him honest with the tough questions.

If that is the philosophy and mindset of our decision makers, we are in more trouble than I thought.

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I think TD will be a great acquisition. He has been at two other clubs who have been successful with finals appearances in the last five years and must have picked up some insights in to the other teams, their players, their tactics and how to expose them. Given the young age of our list and TD's hand on approach he may be the perfect conduit between them and Dennis.

Dempsey was a great tap ruckman who was also able to use his body at throw ins to direct the ball to the advantage of his midfielders. I would expect a big improvement from DeLuca Bryan Batson under Dempsey.

The idea of our draft penalties was to make us unsuccessful for a long period of time. Add to this the woeful finances and previous poor list management. We are a sailing boat stuck at sea with no wind. We all have to work in the same direction and highlight the areas that we can improve.
1. Recruiting.
2. Development of a young list.
3. Marketing & delivery to Carlton fan base, hard when your not wining games.
4. Sponsorhip, hard when your not winning games and haven't got free to air tv coverage.
5. Improvement in player facilities.
6. Getting people on the board & in the football department who can achieve these things.
Make the changes to get people in who can achieve these goals as best we can whilst offering us some stability. The reality is nothing much dynamic is going to be happening at Carlton for the next five years. Fight it if you want, but in my opinion it ain't going to achieve any miraculous results.

Surrey, have you ever met Ian Collins? Because this pop psychology is absolute rubbish. I often work with MSL and Collo is actually quite a reasonable bloke who knows a afir but about footy clubs. He is under no illusions as to the challenge faced by the Club - both on and off the field.

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It's obvious the finances are extremely tight when you look at how we only cut non-contracted players and didn't trade for high quality current players.

If TD and Dempsey came at bargain basement prices we've done okay I reckon.

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There's so much I could say...

Pop Psychology!!!
Where did you get this conclusion from my CFO statement?

I think it was a mistake appointing Dempsey. A younger fresh blooded Scott Wynd would have been a better choice (depending on whether he was available).

Does one need to be popular to engage in pop psychology...?

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No offence to Scott Wynd who was better than handy but if you had to find a fast bowling coach would you go for Brett Lee over Dennis Lillee because he's "younger" and "fresh blooded"?

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no, just consume a lot of baked beans

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

What about Glenn McGrath v Dennis Lillee ? Which would compare to Jason Ball, Sean Renn or Primus v Dempsey.

McGrath would probably be fine (same goes for Lee) but that doesn't mean Dennis Lillee isn't the finest fast bowling coach in the world.

There seems to be a theory around these parts that Dempsey isn't what we need because he played the game a long time ago.

Lillee is proof that's crap and considering Dempsey's been coaching ruckmen on and off for about 20 years I'd say those who've employed him must have seen something in what he does for him to be able to remain employed in such a specialist field for such a long period.

If you can coach you can coach and Dempsey should be judged on what he does rather than dismissed because a "younger fresh blooded" more recent ex-player might have got the job.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
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