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Any way you look at it we lose 20-30 mostly soft and ineffective possessions per match and gain one position on the field for a developing youngster like Russell, Murphy or Setanta, who will most likely prevent the opposition's opposite number from running riot unchecked all over the ground because the lazy prick can't be fagged chasing.


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Sheedy and Campo not wasting time - having sex before marriage apparently:

http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/news ... 99098.html

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Camporeale and Essendon* are so certain of a future together that the player's manager, Craig Vozzo, will seek permission for his client to begin pre-season training with the Dons much earlier than the pre-season draft in mid-December.

"It was disappointing not to get a deal done but as they are confident, so are we. Scott is very much looking forward to playing at Essendon*," Vozzo said.

"One of the things we will take up in the next few weeks is to explore the possibility of Scott training with Essendon*, rather than waiting it out for the pre-season draft."



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Any way you look at it we lose 20-30 mostly soft and ineffective possessions per match and gain one position on the field for a developing youngster like Russell, Murphy or Setanta, who will most likely prevent the opposition's opposite number from running riot unchecked all over the ground because the lazy prick can't be fagged chasing.


Any way you look at it Campo has been fantastic for the Carlton Football Club and is currently (Campo still being a Carlton player technically) its second best midfielder. At least he could get the bloody ball unlike most of our other players. "Soft and ineffective possessions"? What about when Nick Stevens gets the same "soft and ineffective possessions" but is never criticised for it? Campo at least makes an option - remember that the other players never were FORCED to give the ball to Campo, and at the same time Campo, like it or not, was/is one of the better disposers of a footy at the club.

I personally am not too bothered about whether he stays or goes - I'd prefer him to stay but as I said I won't lose any sleep over it. But I can't sit by and read this crap about "soft and ineffective" possessions from posters with clear anti-Camporeale biases.

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Try finding a poster on this site who doesn't have an anti-Campo bias at the moment - apart from you of course.....

Tell me what has Campo done in the past few years to endear himself to you?

What was the last game Campo helped us to claw our way back into - or led from the front - or chased an opponent - or allowed himself not to be sucked in by a close-checking opponent - or chose not to play for a free kick rather than go in for the hard ball - or pass to one of the younger players in a better position rather than one of his "mates"?

In what way does this make him our "second best midfielder"? I suppose you'd rate Kouta as our best then?

Stevens is certainly not above criticism but then again even when he has a bad day he works his guts out, tackles, chases, rarely spits the dummy or plays for free kicks etc


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Stevens is our best, Kouta probably second and Campo ok third then, but I reckon you could argue second..

In my opinion Campo had at least as good a season as Stevens for the most part, certainly through the middle 6-8 weeks yet got very little credit. He was never accountable (like Stevens, Kouta etc are!), yes it frustrates me too and he's always had trouble with taggers but the fact that he gets a tag most weeks and still is able to find the footy is testament to him as a footballer in my opinion. I also don't think Camporeale is the only player to overtly react to being tagged.

Of course Campo hasn't been as good in the last few seasons as he was in earlier in his career. He then had support, quality players around him. It's no secret that he is a better player in a better side - nor is it a crime. Nevertheless, he has still been generally pretty consistent for mine, yes he has had poor games but also some good ones. You remember Adelaide in 2004? Probably best on ground that day apart from Fev who kicked 8 I think. Also the Geelong match that year (first time around) he was excellent.

I thought that the Freo game this year was Campo's best actually - his opponent was Peake who was very good too for Freo but that was a good performance from Campo, lot of footy, but was his most impressive performance too in terms of leadership and giving guidance and direction on the ground. But how many standout performances have there been from any Carlton players in recent seasons? Apart from the odd bag from Fev and occasional blinder by someone, which have been few and far between, interestingly though Campo has had more than most. But it's not Campo's fault that Carlton are no good.

What's the point though in arguing because you and most others are just biased and have forgotten that he has been great for Carlton and deep down I reckon you know it too. Yes blah blah he was overpaid. At the time he signed the contract he was worth every cent. Anyway it's not Campo's fault that he got paid what he got paid - others are to blame for that.

I look at the whole picture with Camporeale and the only conclusion I can draw is that on balance he has been great for this club. 200+ games immediately earns him my respect. He's provided many good moments for us even if he is/was a better player in a better side, was always one of my favourites to watch. I reckon it's sad to see the situation that has emerged with regard to Campo and amazing how quickly some supporters have turned on him. Some have been saying that they want him to go and now that he looks like he's going he's a traitor!
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Campo deserves more respect then what he is being shown. I reiterate that whilst blind Freddy could see that his past few years weren't as good as those before, he had to put up with the same shit every week, taggers all over him, a poor Carlton side around him, no midfield support etc etc and he still was able to generally play some decent footy at least when we had the ball.

Answer this: Why was Campo never dropped if he was so poor over the last few seasons? Nobody can seem to answer this? Surely if he was so poor he'd have been dropped?

Whatever Campo does from here I wish him all the best and I won't be booing him and I won't be upset if he plays good footy for Essendon* (although I don't really see why he'd want to go there nor why Essendon* would want him so badly).

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I understand where you are coming from - and I acknowledge that to some extent Campo has become a bit of a scapegoat for our problems of the past 2-3 years. Unfair perhaps, but not completely.

I loved Campo for many years. I saw his very first official game for Carlton in the preseason of 1995 and always thought he was special in the way he used the ball, but he was always a classy wepon in a team with player like ratten who got in there and dug the ball out for him, and Braddles & Sticks who rallied the team when they needed it.

But when the chips have been down and the club has been crying out for leadership and examples to be set onfield, Campo has been missing big-time.

That Geelong game early last year is pretty much the only time I can remember him leading from the front for the entire game. Too often his 25-30 possessions have had little to no effect on the final result (not necessarily winning but how the team has accounted for itself on field).

In my opinion it is sad to have lost an old champ and former premiership player in the way that we have the past few weeks, but to be honest I think we lost him when Brittain was sacked and he has been largely a shadow of the former player since the 2001 finals series.


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Campo was offered 350k x 2 and knocked it back just after the Wizza Cup
Campo wanted 450x 2.
Campo has now been offered 300k and knocked it back.. he wants 400k.
Essendon* might give Campo a 3 year deal... so might we.
Campo has had everything handed to him on a plate from day one. Premiership, money, contacts, business opportunities etc.
Campo never gave back to the club what the club gave to him... he lived his time here as he lives on the footy field.. sponging!!!
I hope Campo never gets to see the inside of this club again... i hope he goes and dies at that elephants graveyard for disillusioned Carlton footballers.. Windy Hill.

The reason he is among our best midfielders is because he sucked out so much money we couldnt bring in anyone else.

And when we did have a great midfield???Where was he ranked in this one??..... Williams, Bradley,Brown,Ratten,Camporeale...

He was good when he was spoonfed.. when he had to do it himself he was crap.

Campo feels left down he didnt get the 400k... in his own mind he truly deserves it.. STILL!!!.... but he doesnt get it!!!C Johnson is the best back pocket player in the country not Campo... and C Johnson doesnt get 400k per annum...

Campo you dont have the legs for midfield or the stomach to claw out a game .
Go to Sheedy who believes he has a chance at a premiership and clog up Essendons arteries.

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Synbad, I don't agree with you on everything and don't drool on every word you utter, but on this subject agree 100%.

Campo was good, he's no longer good for the club.

Bye Campo. Thanks for your services. Now pay us back by burning the scum.


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According to the Age today, Essendon* are trying to get permission for Camporeale to start training ASAP with Essendon*. Oh I cannot wait until we meet Essendon* next year, for one we won't play like we did last time we met, and two the financial bonus to the first player to knock Campos head off will be huge.

Is there anyway we can draft Roger Merret for 5 mins next year?

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It's not like Mark Stevens is the oracle or anything but Campo's manager's line in this article is encouraging...

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16850520%255E19762,00.html

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Camporeale's manager Craig Vozzo strongly ruled out any chance of the 30-year-old patching up his differences and agreeing to a new deal to remain at Carlton.

"Scott is very disappointed," Vozzo said.


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Campo was offered 350k x 2 and knocked it back just after the Wizza Cup
Campo wanted 450x 2.
Campo has now been offered 300k and knocked it back.. he wants 400k.
Essendon* might give Campo a 3 year deal... so might we.


Geez if those figures are right I'm glad he didn't sign any of those contracts. Essendon* must be out of their minds if they are going to pay him that sort of dough....and the full amount will be in the salary cap, and he has to nominate it prior to the PSD. Given that the Pies took Caracella in PSD, Campo will have to put a reasonable price on his head. Many would love it if he got to the Pies. Good work Bombers, you've got a replacement for Justin Murphy, but with less pace and can kick half as far.


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Don't you love his selfish and childish attitude ... "very disappointed" and "no chance of patching up his differences". What the hell has the Club done to him? You'd swear someone tried to score his fiance. How anyone can come on here and defend that gutless piece of shit is beyond me. I have been posting on the various incarnations of this Board for four years and those that know me, know that I never have been pushed to use expletives in my posts. Campo is an enemy of our Club, not a revered champion. IMHO, he has irreparably burned a bridge and we would be crazy to welcome him back, even after his retirement.


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Yep well said Synbad.

As posted in another thread...

What has Campo given us?

* 231 games.
* I'd estimate around $400 in my back kicker as 2 seasons back I tipped him every week to kick the first goal (which he did about 4 weeks in a row).
*The joy of seeing Brodie Holland get snotted (well, if anyone saw it!)
*A cool finish in the 95 GF

What have we given Campo...?

*Around $3 million+
*A premiership medal
*His name printed under J. Buckley on the 16 locker
*The vice captaincy of the most successful club going around

Let's ask ourselves again... Who owes who here?

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fj, that's as worked up as I've ever seen you - and with good reason, I might add.

Campo's behaviour shows just how spoilt he (and quite probably other members of the 'old brigade') has become at Carlton.

Imagine being employed for 11 years on excellent money, being given the chance to set yourself up in business (I wonder how much experience campo had in the printing industry before his printing company scored all those contracts?) and then being 'insulted' at a job offer from the club that amounts to a guaranteed $700,000 over two years!!!

My God. This guy has no idea, and is in for a serious fall when he has to leave his little hermetically-sealed bubble and step out into the real world in a couple of years time.

Fev may have gotten drunk and said something stupid and insulting about John Nicholls, but Campo's actions speak volumes for the respect he has for the club that made him what he is today. You're right fj. He is, indeed, a turd.


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JohnM wrote:
Fev may have gotten drunk and said something stupid and insulting about John Nicholls, but Campo's actions speak volumes for the respect he has for the club that made him what he is today. You're right fj. He is, indeed, a turd.


Fev's a goofball, but his heart seems to me to be in the right place. Campo is a prima donna.

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Gravy train is over,

Problem is Campo has been gifted so many prievliges by the club that he believes it to be his reality, instead of saying to himeself Ive had a great run, milked it for as long as I could, its coming to an end.

If the 400k is correct, that has him better paid than the likes of del santo, kozi, bartel tec etc etc

time to get off the train!!!!


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Basically quibbling at earning about 120K per year more than the PM and the top shelf government ministers.


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if I was the club id be saying hand in the jumper immediately

honeymoon is over flower

what a primadonna - carrynig on like a jilted bitch!!!
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Sorry to see him go. He played some good footy this year and as stated I reckon he would have been good across half back.

However given that he has clearly decided to leave, I am not going to cry over split milk. I do think he will regret it later on, but that is something for him to deal with.

At least we now know how the Port supporters felt over Nick leaving.

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feel nothing like that BM I want him to go and am very happy to get nothing for him - i think that's a realistic view of what he is worth.

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