Thornton long term maybe. Think he needs to concentrate on regaining form and fitness for next year first.

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T Bird cant be captain either.
Each time he gets beaten in a duel he looks around to his other defenders and has a little splat.

We need to start from the absolute beginning.
The guys we have who are meant to be showing leadership arent doing it and its doubtful many players if not anyone at the clubcan fathom what leadership is.

It really is a long long road from here.
Personally i reckon Bentick has more leadership potential than just about anyone else at the club...

We have alot of spectators.. thats our huge problem...

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gee and the flak I copped for daring to mention AB in an article as a possible champion outside of the top 5 picks?

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Possible champion doesn't equate to leadership material; they can be separate DB. In AB we have someone who continually tries 100%, lays hard tackles and off the field is a kind, clearly spoken Carlton loving kid. This is the attrobute that will see him field more more of the press. Bugger this current leadership group, AB and Simmo have done more press of late than anyone else - so much so that the Club won't let me talk to them. They're doing it all. They are the ones who can say something whilst Stevens & Kouta find it too hard. Campo isn't worth talking to.

It's that appeal that will see the both have leadership positions.

Whether they become stars or not I doubt and it isn't the question. They're good, can't we leave it at that?

nope.

If we are saying a possible future Captain of Carlton is just a goer then this club is stuffed.

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Tony Barber isn't a very good kick but he is great in front of the camera, worth a late pick perhaps?

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I don't agree with that danny.

A captain shouldn't be the "best" player at your club. It should be the one who other players respect, listen to when he speaks, who shows leadership and encouragement on the field, and puts in with the boys, the club, and the fans off the field.

If he is also just one of our B grade in talent, so be it. I just want a Captain who fits the role.

Na want a champion as captain, always have.

Doesn't have to be the best player but has to be good enough to look the best player in the eye - that means (to me) the captain must be an A grader.

Must be able to influence games and influence the team, even when the chips are dowwn.

Must set the tone on the track, on the ground, and around the club.

Must be a champion.

Name a flag team with a championless captain.

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agree with dannyboy.........look at the hawks with Richie Vandenberg??

I always thought Tony Shaw wasn't not a top shelf A grader......but I bet he could look anyone in the eye

Adelaide.

Bickley was a very good player but no champion and I reckon Bentick has the potential to be at least as good.

Bickley won their "Best team man" award three times but only managed a runner up in one B& F.

ask an adelaide supporter - to them he was a?????

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Best Team Man?

hmmm

have a couple of crow supporters I'll ask them. don't think they'll name him as 'just' best team man.

mind you if AB turns out as well as Bickley I'd be a happy man.

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Me too.

It's not that I don't think Bickley was a really good player but I just don't put him in the champ league whereas I would with McLeod, Ricciutto, Rehn, Hart and D. Jarman.

Bickley was the right choice for captain though (and Ricciutto was the right choice to replace him).

Not too many Carlton captains haven't also won at least one B&F. We do tend to go for the star player/captain. Off the top of my head I'd say Maclure would be the only captain in the last 35 years who didn't win a B&F.

Bickley was a very tough and hard player. He really set the tone for the Crows. Very underrated. Not a champion but a very good player.

actually Maclure is a great example, now to me Mark was an A grader absolutely.

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I loved Maclure but we must have a different definition of A grade etc.

Sticks and Robby Walls were A Grade whilst Earl and Sellers are A-/B+ kind of guys for mine.

To be a true A Grader I reckon you have to be able to tear a game apart on a regular basis. Spalding and Maclure did almost everything you'd want from a CHF but they were the worker type CHF rather than the true superstar (see Hart/Brereton/Carey).

Still massively valuable but we were talking about "champions".

I would have no problem with a kid like Bentick becoming a future captain, based upon what I've seen and heard so far.

MacLure an A grader? Hmm, well he had the work ethic etc but I would not say he had the skills normally seen in an A grader.

gee you guys are tough. He'd be an A grader for me. Though Earl wouldn't but I think Mark Maclure was a far better player than Earl. As good as Sticks or Walls - no.

Thought Mark won plenty of games for Carlton but hey I loved the way he played.

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Yeah I don't put him right up the top but he was a bit of a fave of mine. Had a small 36 at the base of the back of the duffle coat. The back had a big 7 in the middle and a small 37 at the top. Right arm had 9 and left arm 4. Front right pocket had 11 and front left had 14.

Maclure
Johnston
Harmes
Hunter
Bosustow
Doull
Ashman

Imagine picking that lot up in the one draft...

(I reckon you'd need priority picks )

Wish I still had the coat...