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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 11:36 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
Pros:

Looked pretty sharp early.
Docherty, Cerra and Walsh were pretty good.
Lord and Oli as well. Plenty of encouragement from Carroll and O'Farrell.
Best effort I've seen from Acres this year.
White and Fogarty created a bit.

Cons:

Slaughtered by ball movement out in space.
Horrible defensive mistakes that led to goals.
Comparative inaccuracy again. Although the opposition got the ball in better spots in forward 50 and in much more space.
Senior players let us down badly. Weiters, TDK and Harry had shockers. After a strong but selfish first half, Curnow was invisible. Hewett struggled.
Durdin couldn't get near it. And Motlop awful as usual.



Spot on.

Most disappointing performance of the year for mine.

Someone noted this is pretty much the exact spot we charged from in ‘23. I recall it coincided with getting Martin and Cunninghamup and running.

I do wonder what would happen with x2 good small forwards in this team…


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 12:12 pm 
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Tried hard but not good enough . We lack polish and class .................. that little kid with the helmet can play . A Toby or a Jamie Elliot type is what we need but they don't grow on trees .

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 12:42 pm 
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Last week in the last quarter v Sydney, there's footage of Armitage taking a mark in the square in the last and Weitering is standing there with both arms at his sided, staring blankly as the mark is taken without chanllenge. Weitering stood there for 10 seconds staring blankly. He wasnt in attendance. Full stop.

5 minutes prior, Boyd was knocked out by Amartey's very late hut, right in front of Weitering and Weiters didnt react. Stared blankly and turned away and walked.

Now look at yesterday's game, and I can visualise half a dozen instances where Weiters was staring blankly doing nothing. That was what Lewis Young use to do. FFS we had to swing Young back to do Weitering's work in the air.

Has Weitering given up on the season? Given up on his coach? Regained all his money lost to a scammer last year? He is not committed to the team. He is not leading like a General.

What was obvious in the preseason is that Haynes became the General in defence, calling out players, directing traffic and coaching team mates.

Since then, its obvious SOS has become the General in defence, and without SOS back there, and Haynes playing a new role as the 4th tall, there's no General.

Maybe the AA jacket was all Weiters needed as cream to top up his well paid position. It sure hasn't been team success.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 12:45 pm 
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How many times have you heard yourself or others call out to Charlie to stop jogging and show effort in the last 3 years?

Laconic
Half paced
Easily dominated
Doesn't chase
Doesn't tackle
Doesn't show any effort after he loses a one on one.

Lacks hear and desire to win.

He never leaves it all on the ground.
Looks like he's saving energy to go out after the game.

Show pony.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 12:48 pm 
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Harry McKay.

If he was really hungry and had that same desire to win every ball and mark as he did in his Coleman year, he'd be taking 10 marks a game, and on a bad day kick 2 goals.

He's not even trying to go full pace and try to win every contest.

Half hearted
Half committed
Doesn't play like he cares about winning...just like his mate Charlie

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 12:49 pm 
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Effes pointed out something about Walsh a couple weeks ago, and it has become a constant.

Walsh should be dominating lesser players than himself.

He was needed last week in the last quarter to show up, as he was this week.

He didnt

He's become a good average player.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 12:52 pm 
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You're on fire, Bondi!

No argument on CC, I've made similar remarks in his player thread.

I think H tries hard, but he probably hasn't shaken his demons, and the spectre of self doubt looms over him. He'll have good moments, but he'll also shank a set shot 20m wide of the sticks. Good on him for not dropping his bundle but he isn't ready to carry a team. I give him a pass.

I'd not noticed the signs of mental checking out in JW that you mention. He can be a hard read, he's always had a sort of hangdog expression; he reminds me of Ross from Friends when he'd give a tired "hi" then flop down on the coffee shop sofa and moan about his latest love life failure. But at the same time, I've never doubted his effort or commitment. If he's out then the end is nigh.


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 12:56 pm 
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Cripps ignored the chance to bring his mates into the game to score easy goals too many times to ignore.

How many times in the first half did Cripps ignore Ollie Hollands in the corridor I50, or Lewis Young's lead? Instead he looked for his alpha male mates, Harry & Charlie, players with beta brains and a lack of effort, thinking an arm in the air implies he's an option. How dumb is that? From the 3 $1M players.

Selfish
Short sighted
Hardly egailtarian

Yeah yeah, tries his guts out for the team....that's his role as inside mid, and that's the role he wants to keep....but there's more to football than ME.

FFS, how are we going to change our ways to find best option by lowering the eyes if our fkn captain doesnt even think of doing it? Its a disease and he's a leader, so the monkeys behind him copy him.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 1:06 pm 
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For those thinking Saad is on the slide, think again. He's been one of our best, yet under utilised ball carriers.

Got the ball twice and ran through the guts baulking and running and finding a player....2 goals.

We need the ball in his hands. Who else do you trust to run and gun and hit a target presenting to him?

Who really tried?

Seniors:

Saad
Cerra
Doc
Ollie Hollands (I hope Sidex has something good to say about 20yo Ollie Hollands' recent form playing wing last week and HF this week; outstanding)

Haynes
Fogarty
TDK ok


and the kids who did OK?

Carroll
White
HOK we knew he was too skinny, but he has class

Lord tried his guts out till he ran out of petrol tickets
Hollands is still a kid and need 3 of him HB and HF and wing

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 1:08 pm 
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Interesting
AFL leading marks
1 Nick Haynes 93
2 Callum Wilkie 84 (yet to play this round)
3. Jacob Weitering 83

Both our boys are good contested and intercept marks but this speaks more to a safety first sideways chip kick mentality back and forth then down the line rather than a penetrating spot up metres gain in the corridor for a proper forward thrust


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 1:22 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
How many times have you heard yourself or others call out to Charlie to stop jogging and show effort in the last 3 years?

Laconic
Half paced
Easily dominated
Doesn't chase
Doesn't tackle
Doesn't show any effort after he loses a one on one.

Lacks hear and desire to win.

He never leaves it all on the ground.
Looks like he's saving energy to go out after the game.

Show pony.


Totally agree Bondi ..... I'd swap him for Hogan in a heartbeat. At least he chases, tackles and the marks stick.
Even Fev when he first started didn't chase but he changed all that.
Charlie is living the Hollywood lifestyle but there's better stars around.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 1:30 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Effes pointed out something about Walsh a couple weeks ago, and it has become a constant.

Walsh should be dominating lesser players than himself.

He was needed last week in the last quarter to show up, as he was this week.

He didnt

He's become a good average player.


Just have this feeling that the kid isn't quite right physically. Perhaps a full pre-season might help that.
Your comments on Weitering are pretty spot on as well ..... there's definitely a lack of desperation in what I can see. Even yesterday (last Qtr) he should have been aware that Hogan was behind him and should have tapped the ball for a point. Lack of awareness or just not mentally with it.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 1:32 pm 
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You're on fire, Bondi!



I think H tries hard, but he probably hasn't shaken his demons, and the spectre of self doubt looms over him. He'll have good moments, but he'll also shank a set shot 20m wide of the sticks. Good on him for not dropping his bundle but he isn't ready to carry a team. I give him a pass.

I'd not noticed the signs of mental checking out in JW that you mention. He can be a hard read, he's always had a sort of hangdog expression; he reminds me of Ross from Friends when he'd give a tired "hi" then flop down on the coffee shop sofa and moan about his latest love life failure. But at the same time, I've never doubted his effort or commitment. If he's out then the end is nigh.


I have never highlighted Weiterings mistakes because he has so many credits in a game. But, his EFFORT in the last 2 weeks actually stinks. Who gives a Fk what his facial expressions look like. He stared blankly and watched the seconds where he was suppose to be competing just tick over and he's left in the wake of that ball.

He is NOT trying 100% of the time.
Last 2 weeks his head is elsewhere, not just this week.

Harry? You can make all the excuses for him but his job is to take those moments because of his superior talent: marking and kicking goals. He's getting paid to do that. If he can't, because he's playing under duress, why doesnt he take leave without pay? Ditto Elijah.

I couldn't believe the ruck stats that say TDK had 9 HO to advantage which was the whole teams HO to advantage. Harry took the ball out of the ruck at least 4 times and handballed to a team mate...that's a HO to advantage. So he was good in that space. When Harry was playing that role, TDK was resting on the bench, Young was playing as a decoy and it was so obvious he was a non threat, leaving lazy Charlie to stand the square.

Had to send Gov in the square to get Charlie out of there before he hatched an egg.

All our leaders were disappointing and embarrassing given what they are paid so handsomely to do.

Charlie doesn't take one on one marks in the goal square, and he doesn't kick goals from the square, he kicks them, hit or miss, from the 50m arc or beyong....leave him there. Oh, Vossy did in th alast. How many did he kick in the last? How often did he put pressure on an opponent...you know, 1 percenters. Cop this. Charlie played 93% Game Time, and was the main target. He applied himself 7 times to pressuring. He didn't even lay a finger on them. That's just applying pressure in over 100 minutes of footy. ZERO tackles. ZERO!!!!!

The leaders were not fit for purpose. Didn't show up. Didn't do their best.

Worst 2nd half since round 1.

WTF is it about our 2nd halves, other than we aren't playing 23 AFL fit players to execute.

Having a laugh before the game started, Sinbagger texted me to remind me we have more than 8 out injured, alluding to whether I was confident,given that we haven't won a game with more than 8 out injured. He stated "we're in dangerous territory". I smiled. I knew that some stat was relevant, but hoped for dear life this week would be different.

9 out injured and we can't run out a game.

Austin was obviously wrong suggesting we had a Top 2 List after the Trade period last year. He thought he got rid of 3 injury prone players. He didn't account for injuries to other players. He lost the plot.

Oh my. I think my boys have given up on the Blues this year.

This week I'm going to book a holiday to spend a few weeks in Greece late Aug-Sept, with no return flight booked.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 1:41 pm 
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RickJ wrote:
Interesting
AFL leading marks
1 Nick Haynes 93
2 Callum Wilkie 84 (yet to play this round)
3. Jacob Weitering 83

Both our boys are good contested and intercept marks but this speaks more to a safety first sideways chip kick mentality back and forth then down the line rather than a penetrating spot up metres gain in the corridor for a proper forward thrust



Weitering took 5 marks yesterday and 4 marks the week before. That's 9 of his 83. So in 9 games prior he took 74. He was averaging 8.2 prior to last 2 shit weeks he's played.
His opponent last week kicke 3 goals and his opponent this week kicked 4 goals. He's been all at sea last 2 weeks. Fk him and his credits in the bank. We badly needed this game. It was a Final.

How many mark attempts did he go for yesterday and not get it right... that led to a goal.

This is the GWS match review. Its all on the table. Game is fresh in our minds. Weiters was awful. Really awful when you consider his importance to the team.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 1:44 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
You're on fire, Bondi!



I think H tries hard, but he probably hasn't shaken his demons, and the spectre of self doubt looms over him. He'll have good moments, but he'll also shank a set shot 20m wide of the sticks. Good on him for not dropping his bundle but he isn't ready to carry a team. I give him a pass.

I'd not noticed the signs of mental checking out in JW that you mention. He can be a hard read, he's always had a sort of hangdog expression; he reminds me of Ross from Friends when he'd give a tired "hi" then flop down on the coffee shop sofa and moan about his latest love life failure. But at the same time, I've never doubted his effort or commitment. If he's out then the end is nigh.


I have never highlighted Weiterings mistakes because he has so many credits in a game. But, his EFFORT in the last 2 weeks actually stinks. Who gives a Fk what his facial expressions look like. He stared blankly and watched the seconds where he was suppose to be competing just tick over and he's left in the wake of that ball.

He is NOT trying 100% of the time.
Last 2 weeks his head is elsewhere, not just this week.

Harry? You can make all the excuses for him but his job is to take those moments because of his superior talent: marking and kicking goals. He's getting paid to do that. If he can't, because he's playing under duress, why doesnt he take leave without pay? Ditto Elijah.

I couldn't believe the ruck stats that say TDK had 9 HO to advantage which was the whole teams HO to advantage. Harry took the ball out of the ruck at least 4 times and handballed to a team mate...that's a HO to advantage. So he was good in that space. When Harry was playing that role, TDK was resting on the bench, Young was playing as a decoy and it was so obvious he was a non threat, leaving lazy Charlie to stand the square.

Had to send Gov in the square to get Charlie out of there before he hatched an egg.

All our leaders were disappointing and embarrassing given what they are paid so handsomely to do.

Charlie doesn't take one on one marks in the goal square, and he doesn't kick goals from the square, he kicks them, hit or miss, from the 50m arc or beyong....leave him there. Oh, Vossy did in th alast. How many did he kick in the last? How often did he put pressure on an opponent...you know, 1 percenters. Cop this. Charlie played 93% Game Time, and was the main target. He applied himself 7 times to pressuring. He didn't even lay a finger on them. That's just applying pressure in over 100 minutes of footy. ZERO tackles. ZERO!!!!!

The leaders were not fit for purpose. Didn't show up. Didn't do their best.

Worst 2nd half since round 1.

WTF is it about our 2nd halves, other than we aren't playing 23 AFL fit players to execute.

Having a laugh before the game started, Sinbagger texted me to remind me we have more than 8 out injured, alluding to whether I was confident,given that we haven't won a game with more than 8 out injured. He stated "we're in dangerous territory". I smiled. I knew that some stat was relevant, but hoped for dear life this week would be different.

9 out injured and we can't run out a game.

Austin was obviously wrong suggesting we had a Top 2 List after the Trade period last year. He thought he got rid of 3 injury prone players. He didn't account for injuries to other players. He lost the plot.

Oh my. I think my boys have given up on the Blues this year.

This week I'm going to book a holiday to spend a few weeks in Greece late Aug-Sept, with no return flight booked.



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 1:49 pm 
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When the players lose faith in the process, they lose the appetite for the fight. This is what I was concerned about in another thread. It just happened a little earlier than expected.

Yes, that's on the players. They're professionals and need to act and perform like it, especially for the fans. But they're also individuals, and just like any other disgruntled employee, they can become dissatisfied with their boss and the company's direction.

And that's on the coaches... and watching the tame pressers, i get the feeling that Voss is worried about losing the players.

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bondiblue wrote:
. Who gives a Fk what his facial expressions look like. He stared blankly .


Lol :P


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 2:07 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
When the players lose faith in the process, they lose the appetite for the fight. This is what I was concerned about in another thread. It just happened a little earlier than expected.

Yes, that's on the players. They're professionals and need to act and perform like it, especially for the fans. But they're also individuals, and just like any other disgruntled employee, they can become dissatisfied with their boss and the company's direction.

And that's on the coaches... and watching the tame pressers, i get the feeling that Voss is worried about losing the players.


You did highlight that Hornet.

The players saying they believe in the game plan is one thing, then there's winning the said game plan.

Your last line also has some merit.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 2:10 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
. Who gives a Fk what his facial expressions look like. He stared blankly .


Lol :P


Is staring blankly an expression? :roll:

To be Expressionist or Not to Be. Either way, he was useless.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 2:54 pm 
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slow and weak like i have been saying for 2 yrs now, our u12 game plan bomb the ball into our f50 only to watch the opposition run it out with quick ball movement to there OPEN fwd line for EASY goals ,how many times have we seen this play ,so wat does Voss and Co do over pre season ????? very disappointing


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