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Is it more beneficial to play Cowan ahead of Doc if it was between those 2?

Cowan has gone missing this year, including praccy games. Has someone from Tassie already offered him a contract? If not, has the prospect of being tapped on the shoulder with a huge contract gone to his head? Not sure, but he's not right.


I thought Cowan was pretty solid last night. No major stuff ups that I saw. He is the future. He needs to use his prodigious boot more than he does and to use his dash more. But he is learning and is worth his spot. 27 games in and another 30 and he will be a consistent performer. He's a keeper.

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Ummm....he gave up that goal on three quarter time with an absolutely stupid high tackle.


Yeah you're right..............no-one else in the history of the AFL has done that. :roll:

Fairdinkum, there a 6 others to have a crack at before Cowan. I get the angst and the frustration, but atleast cut a few of those who are trying their hardest, abit of slack.

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Traveller86 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Is it more beneficial to play Cowan ahead of Doc if it was between those 2?

Cowan has gone missing this year, including praccy games. Has someone from Tassie already offered him a contract? If not, has the prospect of being tapped on the shoulder with a huge contract gone to his head? Not sure, but he's not right.


I thought Cowan was pretty solid last night. No major stuff ups that I saw. He is the future. He needs to use his prodigious boot more than he does and to use his dash more. But he is learning and is worth his spot. 27 games in and another 30 and he will be a consistent performer. He's a keeper.

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Ummm....he gave up that goal on three quarter time with an absolutely stupid high tackle.


It was stupid because the a Carlton player already had Doggies player an inescapable tackle. No need for Cowan to do that. He should have been waiting for the spilled ball.

He's only young. I get it.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:55 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Is it more beneficial to play Cowan ahead of Doc if it was between those 2?

Cowan has gone missing this year, including praccy games. Has someone from Tassie already offered him a contract? If not, has the prospect of being tapped on the shoulder with a huge contract gone to his head? Not sure, but he's not right.


I thought Cowan was pretty solid last night. No major stuff ups that I saw. He is the future. He needs to use his prodigious boot more than he does and to use his dash more. But he is learning and is worth his spot. 27 games in and another 30 and he will be a consistent performer. He's a keeper.

Regards Cazzesman


Ummm....he gave up that goal on three quarter time with an absolutely stupid high tackle.


Yeah you're right..............no-one else in the history of the AFL has done that. :roll:

Fairdinkum, there a 6 others to have a crack at before Cowan. I get the angst and the frustration, but atleast cut a few of those who are trying their hardest, abit of slack.

Regards Cazzesman


Cazz, its understandable at 0-3 to put the microscope on everyone.

Nothing to do with a bit of slack.maybe that's what got us in this messy spot in the first place. We've been selecting a lot of passengers this year. Agree?

I know the cupboard is bare, but we still have to call out what is seen. Can't unsee things, and stupid not to call it if its there.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:11 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Is it more beneficial to play Cowan ahead of Doc if it was between those 2?

Cowan has gone missing this year, including praccy games. Has someone from Tassie already offered him a contract? If not, has the prospect of being tapped on the shoulder with a huge contract gone to his head? Not sure, but he's not right.


I thought Cowan was pretty solid last night. No major stuff ups that I saw. He is the future. He needs to use his prodigious boot more than he does and to use his dash more. But he is learning and is worth his spot. 27 games in and another 30 and he will be a consistent performer. He's a keeper.

Regards Cazzesman


Ummm....he gave up that goal on three quarter time with an absolutely stupid high tackle.


Yeah you're right..............no-one else in the history of the AFL has done that. :roll:

Fairdinkum, there a 6 others to have a crack at before Cowan. I get the angst and the frustration, but atleast cut a few of those who are trying their hardest, abit of slack.

Regards Cazzesman


Cazz, its understandable at 0-3 to put the microscope on everyone.

Nothing to do with a bit of slack.maybe that's what got us in this messy spot in the first place. We've been selecting a lot of passengers this year. Agree?

I know the cupboard is bare, but we still have to call out what is seen. Can't unsee things, and stupid not to call it if its there.


120 mins of footy bondi. He's human. Bringing up that one incident is just quarterbacking from the couch.

So beg to differ on the reasoning behind such posts. Everyone of the 22 made 1 or more stuff ups. Fact of life.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:11 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Is it more beneficial to play Cowan ahead of Doc if it was between those 2?

Cowan has gone missing this year, including praccy games. Has someone from Tassie already offered him a contract? If not, has the prospect of being tapped on the shoulder with a huge contract gone to his head? Not sure, but he's not right.


I thought Cowan was pretty solid last night. No major stuff ups that I saw. He is the future. He needs to use his prodigious boot more than he does and to use his dash more. But he is learning and is worth his spot. 27 games in and another 30 and he will be a consistent performer. He's a keeper.

Regards Cazzesman


Ummm....he gave up that goal on three quarter time with an absolutely stupid high tackle.


Yeah you're right..............no-one else in the history of the AFL has done that. :roll:

Fairdinkum, there a 6 others to have a crack at before Cowan. I get the angst and the frustration, but atleast cut a few of those who are trying their hardest, abit of slack.

Regards Cazzesman


If it was a one-off, I'd go easy on him.

Unfortunately, he's cost us crucial goals with crucial mistakes at crucial intervals in every game of the season so far.

For me, he's been the biggest disappointment of the season so far. It's time to step up.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 4:17 pm 
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Scans have confirmed no serious injury for Zac Williams and he will be assessed during the week to determine his availability for Round 4.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 4:32 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:

120 mins of footy bondi. He's human. Bringing up that one incident is just quarterbacking from the couch.

So beg to differ on the reasoning behind such posts. Everyone of the 22 made 1 or more stuff ups. Fact of life.

Regards Cazzesman


I’m not crucifying the kid. He was a teenager in his fist 2 seasons. love what he can bring.

He is a 20 yo man now, and from what I’ve seen this year, 3 games, 2 preseason he has not shown ‘good form ‘ this year. This was another mistake, amongst a lot of mistakes I’ve seen thus in in 2025. Hes not switched on. He’s not on his own. He’s out of form, and he needs to raise his standards.

You’re missing the point.

We shouldn’t pick and choose which mistakes we can or cannot criticise.
Every player paid by the club is a professional footballer.
Every mistake any player makes is subject to the scrutiny of every stakeholder in this club.

This club is acting like it’s a crèche, but I’m not interested in a crèche.
Back to football, where’s Harry, Elijah? Whose looking after them? Shit we’re back to the crèche

Is there is a list of players who are off limits, you know, number of games played, age, height, weight, sex, before we scrutinise any given moment, game, or year?
I’m sure there is, but that’s with the List Manger, but not for us.

Our club is in deep shit….on field…….and in the coaches box.

Who are we discussing? Someone on field. Cowan in this case. OK.
What happened? just the fact:
We lost by 7 points. He gave away a reckless free in the most dangerous spot of the ground.
He cost us a goal. It’s just a moment in time, but it was magnified by the time clock, nevetheliss, a deadly sin, it’s still a gioal. If we want, right or wrong, to be really harsh, we could say he cost us a game.

We, a stakeholder, ask the question of him and we should.
We put that moment aside, then look at his year and his progress.
We look at his age and body of work.
Is he better than last year? We have to ask.

Imo he is not in form. That’s all. I know cupboard is sort of bare. There’s not much heat on his spot. I get it. He’s comfortable. I’m not.

We should scrutinise every player. Not abuse, scrutinise. I expect of the whole Football Department is doing that and more.

I’m not comfortable where we are at right now. Cazz Not next year.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 4:33 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Scans have confirmed no serious injury for Zac Williams and he will be assessed during the week to determine his availability for Round 4.


Thanks hampers. Put a fork in him

He’s not playing in this thread.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 4:58 pm 
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We couldn't beat them twice last year.

They have added Houston, Perryman and Membrey (Wayne Carey vs us) to their side.

We've let go of Kennedy and Owies for Haynes and Evans, FMD.

I can't see us winning and even if it did it would paper over some very big cracks, just like the 2013 elimination final win did.


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I don't mind papering over the cracks, this week...

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Scans have confirmed no serious injury for Zac Williams and he will be assessed during the week to determine his availability for Round 4.



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So we're in a slump with Collingwood next. Even the great Carlton sides went through slumps. But if their next opponent was Collingwood, I was always confident the Blues would lift for that one.
Why because I believed the guys in those sides took pride in pulling on the Carlton guernsey especially against Collingwood. The Carlton guernsey meant something to them.

Does our present side possess the same feeling ? I don't really know, but now is a pretty good time to find out.

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This game, if a loss, will send the end of Voss.


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Not that it matters for this week but Lij and Harry both played (and apparently played well) in the VFL scratch match against the dogs yesterday.

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This game, if a loss, will send the end of Voss.

Nope... but the following week we have West Coast... a classic coach killer game

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 11:02 am 
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Players did a lot right in the last 3 weeks.
The fade out in the 2nd half is either game Plan, fitness or the players are soft between the ears.
I think its the latter in our last 3 losses, and most of our losses since 2022, by the same group of players, and game plan always has room for improvement, ask Sam Mitchell.

No game plan can work if the players aren't good enough or committed to pull it off.
So I'm looking at the 23 Professionals who put their hand out every week to perform this week, and next and next.

Every player should watch the last game in 2 halves. Its a reflection of the last 3 games. Stuff the umpiring mistakes.
Sometimes the 4 points masks the problems and does not the lead to the best lesson. Use these lessons as your lesson.
Look at what every individual did and didn't do; age is no excuse.
They'll see THEY made the on field choices that led to failure in the 2nd half.
They will see and know plan B was the ticket. Proof was the first half. Why did they change.
It wasn't coaching master Bevo that beat Voss. The players stopped. 3 weeks in a row.

They went back into their old ways, in the 2nd half, bombing it to no one. WTF would you do that if you're thinking straight.
I remember one time Charlie had ball forward of the wing near the boundary, only to look up and no one was there.
Charlie could have bombed it into territory, only for Dogs to retrieve, but instead he went backwards to find a team mate.

Motlop got "tagged" and sfter his cameo effort with the tackle and goal in the first minutes, he didn't win a possession in the 2nd half. What? because he was tagged? He's useless with an opponent?
If he can't get a kick in the AFL, try getting one in the VFL. Not good enough. Gifted games.
Walsh bombs it to Charlie but finds a Bulldog 10 metres short of Charlie. FFS, don't you recall how far you can kick from training? Stupid.
Fogarty showed some class, a couple good marks and defensive efforts, but 11 disposals for a game. 54% efficiency. Not AFL standard
Evans 7 disposals 70% GT? Not good enough...I could go on.4 smalls with a total of 35 possessions for 1 goasl.
Acres 33% DE is pathetic. He didn't have a hand on him and he kicks it OOB.
Kemp, Young missing goals from straight in front. WTF? Elementary.
All the above are contracted for 2026 except Kempy. He didnt give up. I wonder why?

Nothing to do with fitness. They are comfortable. They give up the fight. Same group under 3 coaches. Its this group. Simple.

Last 5 minutes, we regain the lead, then what? You want the coaches to go out to lift the intensity and save the game?
I coached teenagers and kids. I never had to tell them what to do in the last 5 minutes to get over the line.
Where's the contested game? The wasting time, negative scrum football, our way, we see ad nauseum during the game, where it gone in the last 5 mins?

Same shit delivered in all nearly all our "honourable" losses, by the same group, since that last second goal by Elliot v Pies to knock us out of Finals in 2022 by 1 point. They kicked 5 goals in a row to snatch that win and we missed out on Finals by less that 1%. Its a game of inches. Its a game of 4 quarter effort, switched on for the win.

Its now 2025, and this shit from the players has to stop. They blame themselves in all media. So they should. Listen to them..."a few lapses" here and there. Its true.
Stop taking the spotlight off the players. They are all accountable to their team mates, coach and supporters.

How many games have lost in the last 10 minutes, under both fitness bosses. Can't say the club hasn't tried to change things up. Its the same group.
2 players are in the creche missing when we need them. Elijah, Harry??? Where's you intestinal fortitude and love for your mates when they are in the trenches?
Soft. Keogh can take this further with List management, but for right now, for season 2025, the players have to get fair dinkum. Its a 4 quarter game.

Loss of concentration, thinking someone else will do the job instead of all players being on the same page, with the same will and the same intent.
That's on the players. They are soft. The club is soft. We carry passengers. We gift games. We live on the coat tails of our history.

Apart from TDK, Hewett, Weitering, SOS, Saad & Cerra 5 players and 6, with Charlie playing the KPF and pressure forward till running out of petrol tickets.
Young, Haynes & Walshy too, but to a lesser degree. They made crucial mistakes. What were the other 13 players doing? 13 passengers. How do you expect to make any game plan work with 13 passengers. Thirteen. Thirteeeeeeeen.

It was Charlie who was putting most of the tenacious forward line pressure ,not the smalls in the first half; part of the reason we did so well in the first half till he wasn't spent.
We have to share the load. Too many passengers. 6 is too many passenegers. We know that. But 13. FFS.

I don't believe bad execution and decisions on field are a coaching issue. There may be an off field problem, but that's not the elephant in the room.
These players are coached all summer. They fix things up, show some signs and revert back to lazy decisions, reckless moments.
This crap has to end.

What clicked in 2023, with virtually the same group, the same game plan, same coaching group? The players clicked. That's all. They started running for each other, connecting and running hard and enjoying doing it.

Stop the selfishness.
Stay on the job for 4 quarters.
Play to win, whether you're in front by 3 goals with 5 minutes left, or behind by 3 goals with 5 minutes left.
You have to make all your disposals count.
You have to make sure all your defensive actions count.
You have to give it all you've got, leave it all on the field.

This is your chance for redemption Baggers, in the biggest H&A game for our club, with or without Harry and Elijah.

We have to make some changes. We have to weed out the non performers, because we can win this, like we could win the last 3 games we lost.

I know the cupboard is bare. At the very least, Acres, Evans out & Williams (injured), and if we can, find someone to replace Motlop and Gov (that's not going to be easy)

Hopefully Fantasia is ready, ditto Durdin. Both have been training last 2 weeks.
Then I'd be looking at L.Campo, Binns and Carroll if they look good in the praccy v Footscray today?

Glass half full.

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So we're in a slump with Collingwood next. Even the great Carlton sides went through slumps. But if their next opponent was Collingwood, I was always confident the Blues would lift for that one.
Why because I believed the guys in those sides took pride in pulling on the Carlton guernsey especially against Collingwood. The Carlton guernsey meant something to them.

Does our present side possess the same feeling ? I don't really know, but now is a pretty good time to find out.


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Apparently both Harry McKay and Elijah Hollands played in the Intra-club yesterday.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 11:06 am 
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bluebo baggers wrote:
Not that it matters for this week but Lij and Harry both played (and apparently played well) in the VFL scratch match against the dogs yesterday.



That's great news.

I hadn't heard anything about the game.

Surprised Big Gartos didnt attend.

FWIW, Elijah looked reallly a class above in the praccy game vs GWS. He only came on at 3/4 Qtr time, or just before, but he was really special.

We need them, IF they are fit enough and have the killer instinct to win at all costs.

I'm not counting on them.

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Sorry I can’t be bothered reading most of this but are we know suggesting dropping Cowan?
If so, I think we have lost all perspective.


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