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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:48 pm 
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They will beat us. Mark my words….. We are playing like individuals at the moment.


They won't. After the last 2 weels we'll be up and smack them.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:51 pm 
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Posted this in the VFL thread...

I'd bring in S Durdin to replace Marchbank, Binns to replace Ollie, and Cuningham to replace Williams.
Carroll and Lord don't give anything more than Kennedy, Cera or Hewitt.
Motlop or Hewitt could replace TDK or Pitto if we go that way.
Martin not ready for AFL yet, give him one more game at least in the VFL

Hewitt deserves to be in the AFL team, but not sure who he replaces. Kennedy and Cripps are playing ok, Cera is out of form but he plays more outside and gives more run than Hewitt does, so not like for like. Cotrell/Ollie could be replaced, but Hewitt can't run that far or fast either. He's not a replacement for Williams either.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:55 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Yeah nah.

Calling the season over despite sitting in 2nd and declaring we're gonna lose to 17th place North - pissweak. How do you deal with adversity in life if you react like this?

I'm disappointed with the result and performance yesterday but the reaction is over the top.

We just need to go back to basics, stop being so cute with selection and get the win. Forget about percentage booster, statement game etc.

Next week is about WINNING. That's it.


Swans just come off two losses. Pies lost round 20, 21 and 23 last year. Sides have little slumps, part of a long season. We win next week and go on from here. We still only lost both byn 2 goals. Won't take much to get back on top again. People stress too much over one or two mishaps. Just means we'll peak nicely this year. We sit 2nd, despite missing heaps of players for much of the season. Don't do that for nothing. Guessing many wrote us off earlier after that Swans game, 3rd loss in 4 game, only to come and really smack Port in Adelaide, Essendon* and Geelong.

We should get back to our basics and, yes, we have been cute with silly selection. Think the club from the MC down have had their wake up call.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:03 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Posted this in the VFL thread...

I'd bring in S Durdin to replace Marchbank, Binns to replace Ollie, and Cuningham to replace Williams.
Carroll and Lord don't give anything more than Kennedy, Cera or Hewitt.
Motlop or Hewitt could replace TDK or Pitto if we go that way.
Martin not ready for AFL yet, give him one more game at least in the VFL

Hewitt deserves to be in the AFL team, but not sure who he replaces. Kennedy and Cripps are playing ok, Cera is out of form but he plays more outside and gives more run than Hewitt does, so not like for like. Cotrell/Ollie could be replaced, but Hewitt can't run that far or fast either. He's not a replacement for Williams either.


Yes, S.Durdin or Young, who played well too. Young has been good in the VFL and might be time to try him again. Plus, he gives ruck back up if we play one ruck. Motlop, Hewett, Young, Cunningham, Binns in. Out Marchbank, Pitto, Cottrell and Ollie, plus Williams, who is injured.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:18 pm 
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jim wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Posted this in the VFL thread...

I'd bring in S Durdin to replace Marchbank, Binns to replace Ollie, and Cuningham to replace Williams.
Carroll and Lord don't give anything more than Kennedy, Cera or Hewitt.
Motlop or Hewitt could replace TDK or Pitto if we go that way.
Martin not ready for AFL yet, give him one more game at least in the VFL

Hewitt deserves to be in the AFL team, but not sure who he replaces. Kennedy and Cripps are playing ok, Cera is out of form but he plays more outside and gives more run than Hewitt does, so not like for like. Cotrell/Ollie could be replaced, but Hewitt can't run that far or fast either. He's not a replacement for Williams either.


Yes, S.Durdin or Young, who played well too. Young has been good in the VFL and might be time to try him again. Plus, he gives ruck back up if we play one ruck. Motlop, Hewett, Young, Cunningham, Binns in. Out Marchbank, Pitto, Cottrell and Ollie, plus Williams, who is injured.


Young wasn't bad but I though S Durdin has looked very assured last few weeks, Young still seems to panic a bit. We need a cool headd in defence


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:20 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
jim wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Posted this in the VFL thread...

I'd bring in S Durdin to replace Marchbank, Binns to replace Ollie, and Cuningham to replace Williams.
Carroll and Lord don't give anything more than Kennedy, Cera or Hewitt.
Motlop or Hewitt could replace TDK or Pitto if we go that way.
Martin not ready for AFL yet, give him one more game at least in the VFL

Hewitt deserves to be in the AFL team, but not sure who he replaces. Kennedy and Cripps are playing ok, Cera is out of form but he plays more outside and gives more run than Hewitt does, so not like for like. Cotrell/Ollie could be replaced, but Hewitt can't run that far or fast either. He's not a replacement for Williams either.


Yes, S.Durdin or Young, who played well too. Young has been good in the VFL and might be time to try him again. Plus, he gives ruck back up if we play one ruck. Motlop, Hewett, Young, Cunningham, Binns in. Out Marchbank, Pitto, Cottrell and Ollie, plus Williams, who is injured.


Young wasn't bad but I though S Durdin has looked very assured last few weeks, Young still seems to panic a bit. We need a cool headd in defence
Sounds fair enough. I was tossing up and went Young as he could ruck too going in with oen ruck, but, yes, Durdin may be a better defence per se option.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:35 pm 
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jim wrote:

Yes, S.Durdin or Young, who played well too. Young has been good in the VFL and might be time to try him again. Plus, he gives ruck back up if we play one ruck. Motlop, Hewett, Young, Cunningham, Binns in. Out Marchbank, Pitto, Cottrell and Ollie, plus Williams, who is injured.


This is the very reason I’m p1$$ed with selections. This bloke has been doing everything right but is so out of favour that we prefer guys who haven’t got run in their legs instead. Just a bad look and setting the wrong tone.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:16 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
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I'd bring in S Durdin to replace Marchbank,

Hewitt deserves to be in the AFL team, but not sure who he replaces.

Agree with S Durdin to replace Marchbank (please not Lewis Young).
I would suggest moving Cerra to the wing or half back and Hewitt can take his spot in the centre.
Based on the VFL reports my changes would be as follows:
In: Hewitt, Motlop, Sam Durdin, Carroll or Cunningham
Out: Pittonet, Cottrell, Marchbank, Williams (inj)

Kennedy to start and Carroll/Cunningham to be sub
Sounds like Jack Martin needs at least another week.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:40 pm 
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Also watched the full VFL game today.
Hewett is a must. We need his grunt.
Cuningham should play over either Cottrell or O Hollands. Has now put in a month at VFL. He’s composed in traffic and can hit a target. Will get the same amount of ball as the other two but will actually use it.
Motlop didn’t have his best game today but again he’s banked a month of VFL footy and we need a genuine goalkicking threat to replace Williams given his injury.
If Gov isn’t fit (which I assume he won’t be), I’d be looking at S Durdin to replace Marchbank. Another big body next to Weiters can’t hurt.
Orazio has done something to his calf so we won’t see him next week you’d think.
Martin definitely needs another week. Only played managed minutes and looked short of a gallop.
Time to swing a few changes. We’ve got too many blokes comfortable about getting a game each week.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:49 pm 
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jim wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Posted this in the VFL thread...

I'd bring in S Durdin to replace Marchbank, Binns to replace Ollie, and Cuningham to replace Williams.
Carroll and Lord don't give anything more than Kennedy, Cera or Hewitt.
Motlop or Hewitt could replace TDK or Pitto if we go that way.
Martin not ready for AFL yet, give him one more game at least in the VFL

Hewitt deserves to be in the AFL team, but not sure who he replaces. Kennedy and Cripps are playing ok, Cera is out of form but he plays more outside and gives more run than Hewitt does, so not like for like. Cotrell/Ollie could be replaced, but Hewitt can't run that far or fast either. He's not a replacement for Williams either.


Yes, S.Durdin or Young, who played well too. Young has been good in the VFL and might be time to try him again. Plus, he gives ruck back up if we play one ruck. Motlop, Hewett, Young, Cunningham, Binns in. Out Marchbank, Pitto, Cottrell and Ollie, plus Williams, who is injured.



ollie shouldn't get dropped. the amount of ground he covers (mostly defensively) is a big void to fill. that diving tackle/ smother on bont for a certain goal. that act alone showed more desperation than anyone else yday. i didn't see his numbers, but i'd guess he ran over 16km and ran the furtherest on the ground.

i dont think coaching staff are asking him to get in and win the ball, but be defensive first mindset and tackle and run and don't stop. so, when it comes to raw numbers, maybe we shouldn't judge ollie on output?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:50 pm 
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jim wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Posted this in the VFL thread...

I'd bring in S Durdin to replace Marchbank, Binns to replace Ollie, and Cuningham to replace Williams.
Carroll and Lord don't give anything more than Kennedy, Cera or Hewitt.
Motlop or Hewitt could replace TDK or Pitto if we go that way.
Martin not ready for AFL yet, give him one more game at least in the VFL

Hewitt deserves to be in the AFL team, but not sure who he replaces. Kennedy and Cripps are playing ok, Cera is out of form but he plays more outside and gives more run than Hewitt does, so not like for like. Cotrell/Ollie could be replaced, but Hewitt can't run that far or fast either. He's not a replacement for Williams either.


Yes, S.Durdin or Young, who played well too. Young has been good in the VFL and might be time to try him again. Plus, he gives ruck back up if we play one ruck. Motlop, Hewett, Young, Cunningham, Binns in. Out Marchbank, Pitto, Cottrell and Ollie, plus Williams, who is injured.



ollie shouldn't get dropped. the amount of ground he covers (mostly defensively) is a big void to fill. that diving tackle/ smother on bont for a certain goal. that act alone showed more desperation than anyone else yday. i didn't see his numbers, but i'd guess he ran over 16km and ran the furtherest on the ground.

i dont think coaching staff are asking him to get in and win the ball, but be defensive first mindset and tackle and run and don't stop. so, when it comes to raw numbers, maybe we shouldn't judge ollie on output?

plus in a team of plodders, he's one of our faster players out there, espesh in pursuit. he seems to opften mow down other players who thought they were clear


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 6:05 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Yeah nah.

Calling the season over despite sitting in 2nd and declaring we're gonna lose to 17th place North - pissweak. How do you deal with adversity in life if you react like this?

I'm disappointed with the result and performance yesterday but the reaction is over the top.

We just need to go back to basics, stop being so cute with selection and get the win. Forget about percentage booster, statement game etc.

Next week is about WINNING. That's it.



while i don't necessarily agree with the notion, i can see where it comes from.

last season is not that long ago. we were a bottom 4 team, literally, playing with the tall set up. and if not for injuries who knows how long it woulda gone on for? this season we are literally dead last in every defense metric with the tall set up ...

it is completely plausible for this club to shit the bed so drastically we lose to norf and free-fall down the ladder. is it likely? probably not, but it is plausible.

this club has done nothing. achieved nothing. and we're two decades into our rebuild. yet somehow as a club we find the way to be arrogant and get ahead of ourselves??

as members and supporters, everyone has the right to be jaded, scarred and not a believer. or in layman terms, unable to smell what carlton are cooking.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:01 am 
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If we're serious we win this comfortably.
Because I'll be at the game we'll probably limp over the line.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:46 am 
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Durdin for marchbank
Motlop for Williams if he's injured
Cunningham for cottrell
Hewitt for pittonet
Cerra the sub

Much better balanced team and when gov is fit he may replace Kemp


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:56 am 
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jim wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Posted this in the VFL thread...

I'd bring in S Durdin to replace Marchbank, Binns to replace Ollie, and Cuningham to replace Williams.
Carroll and Lord don't give anything more than Kennedy, Cera or Hewitt.
Motlop or Hewitt could replace TDK or Pitto if we go that way.
Martin not ready for AFL yet, give him one more game at least in the VFL

Hewitt deserves to be in the AFL team, but not sure who he replaces. Kennedy and Cripps are playing ok, Cera is out of form but he plays more outside and gives more run than Hewitt does, so not like for like. Cotrell/Ollie could be replaced, but Hewitt can't run that far or fast either. He's not a replacement for Williams either.


Yes, S.Durdin or Young, who played well too. Young has been good in the VFL and might be time to try him again. Plus, he gives ruck back up if we play one ruck. Motlop, Hewett, Young, Cunningham, Binns in. Out Marchbank, Pitto, Cottrell and Ollie, plus Williams, who is injured.


I like the thinking re Young.
What do you do when Gov is fit for the Port game?

I have a feeling Voss will stick with Pitto and TDK, and tinker in other areas, like bring back our defensive keys at stoppages Hewett/ Kennedy. We look slow in stoppages when the opposition peel out with ease. Every team looks slow in the middle when they lose possession.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:03 pm 
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I have a feeling Voss will stick with Pitto and TDK, and tinker in other areas, like bring back our defensive keys at stoppages Hewett/ Kennedy. We look slow in stoppages when the opposition peel out with ease. Every team looks slow in the middle when they lose possession.


Retain possession and deliver to a teammate in a better position and your feet can be in cement blocks for all I care.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:39 pm 
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The problem with Hewett Kennedy and Cerra is they like to be first to get their hands on the ball. In a stoppage situation I am not sure this is the best option with the new interpretation of HTB. As players sweat on you then grab one arm and you are gone. Either that where previously you would absorb the tackle then release.
Cerra is panicking and releasing to quickly.
Kennedy is now not given enough minutes in the middle.
I watched Hewett with interest yesterday.
In the first quarter he was first to the ball and was chicken winged a few times.
By the last quarter he became the hunter and at stoppage laid tackle after tackle and was awarded a few frees.

The AFL has created a unique problem where you don't want to be first to the ball.
It is no coincidence that since the rule changes the tagger has been reintroduced.

You now have a situation where ordinary players are sweating on elite ball players and limiting their ability to bust from stoppages.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:37 pm 
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This will change once we get the injury report, but as this early stage I'd go:

Cincotta - S. Durdin - Newman
Saad - Kemp - Cowan
Acres - Cripps - O. Hollands
Cunningham - C. Curnow - Fogarty
Owies - McKay - Motlop
TDK - Walsh - Hewett

Kennedy - Carroll - E. Hollands - Young
Sub: Cerra

One ruck.
Weitering gets a week off.
Williams out injured.
Cincotta back to defence.
Young second ruck and in defence.
Boyd and Cottrell go back to the seconds to find some form.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:23 pm 
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there's no way boyd will miss with gov out. he's our 2nd best ball user from the back (behind gov). he didn't play well on the weekend, but really, who did?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:55 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
there's no way boyd will miss with gov out. he's our 2nd best ball user from the back (behind gov). he didn't play well on the weekend, but really, who did?


I don't think Boyd's ball use out of the back half has been particularly good since he was mentioned in the media as being a good kick.


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