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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:05 pm 
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I think our list is good, albeit young. Its not a distaster.
We've lost games by 10 and 20 points recently, possibly we could have stolen them, but didnt.
Its not a disaster. Injuries are hitting us hard but we dont bat deep.

We have injuries, but what might help is getting the balance between height and speed right.
That needs fixing, and that's anyones guess.

Problem is all of our good fast Best 22 smalls are out injured.

Some argue most of our talls are mobile, which compensates for the height /smalls ratio.
Yet imo that simple measurement doesn't account for speed and nimbleness.
We need genuine speed wherever we can get it. Who?????

NOT AVAILABLE THIS WEEK:
Murphy
Docherty
Pickett
Williamson
Lang
Silvagni
Byrne
Cuningham (injured today)

SHOULD DROP:
Marchbank (lame?)
Kennedy (lame?)

We need outside speed, and another to help out Cripps, for Kennedy.
I can't think of any and imo Polson LeBois and Schumacher are not ready. Graham. Enough said.
Garlett is the only one available with outside speed we can bring in.

The difficulty is we seem to be a bit too tall, and if the case, which talls would to drop, if needed.

INS: Weitering Kreuzer, neither have outside speed, but they take the spot of too talls.
OUTS: Marchbank Kennedy. Only one is a tall.

POSSIBLE OUT: (for Garlett) Philips McKay Casboult Plowman Jones Silvagni
Probably Silvagni

INS: Kreuzer Weitering Garlett

We are really missing Murphy, Pickett, Willo, and ofcourse Docherty. Possibly Lang.
Our best 22 isn't that bad.

I also really hope more than 3 players win clearances this week.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:11 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:55 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I think our list is good, albeit young. Its not a distaster.
We've lost games by 10 and 20 points recently, possibly we could have stolen them, but didnt.
Its not a disaster. Injuries are hitting us hard but we dont bat deep.

We have injuries, but what might help is getting the balance between height and speed right.
That needs fixing, and that's anyones guess.

Problem is all of our good fast Best 22 smalls are out injured.

Some argue most of our talls are mobile, which compensates for the height /smalls ratio.
Yet imo that simple measurement doesn't account for speed and nimbleness.
We need genuine speed wherever we can get it. Who?????

NOT AVAILABLE THIS WEEK:
Murphy
Docherty
Pickett
Williamson
Lang
Silvagni
Byrne
Cuningham (injured today)

SHOULD DROP:
Marchbank (lame?)
Kennedy (lame?)

We need outside speed, and another to help out Cripps, for Kennedy.
I can't think of any and imo Polson LeBois and Schumacher are not ready. Graham. Enough said.
Garlett is the only one available with outside speed we can bring in.

The difficulty is we seem to be a bit too tall, and if the case, which talls would to drop, if needed.

INS: Weitering Kreuzer, neither have outside speed, but they take the spot of too talls.
OUTS: Marchbank Kennedy. Only one is a tall.

POSSIBLE OUT: (for Garlett) Philips McKay Casboult Plowman Jones Silvagni
Probably Silvagni

INS: Kreuzer Weitering Garlett

We are really missing Murphy, Pickett, Willo, and ofcourse Docherty. Possibly Lang.
Our best 22 isn't that bad.

I also really hope more than 3 players win clearances this week.



Why are Marchbank and Kennedy lame?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:37 am 
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3votes Gibbs,2votes Betts,1vote Jacobs , just a little reminder from those guys as to what we have let go, Crows by plenty


That's oh so sad ain't it ? Add young guys to those ( and Thouy, Garlett etc etc) and folks we are contenders. The Hawks, Geelong, Swans manage to keep their core until they're close to retirement (Hawks let the trio go only when they were ready) and get the gun kids.....so remain top 8 teams forever.

Either we are a list management basket case or the AFL has to change things. Maybe a bit of both ??


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:53 am 
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Garlett's been dropped.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:22 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I think our list is good, albeit young. Its not a distaster.
We've lost games by 10 and 20 points recently, possibly we could have stolen them, but didnt.
Its not a disaster. Injuries are hitting us hard but we dont bat deep.

We have injuries, but what might help is getting the balance between height and speed right.
That needs fixing, and that's anyones guess.

Problem is all of our good fast Best 22 smalls are out injured.

Some argue most of our talls are mobile, which compensates for the height /smalls ratio.
Yet imo that simple measurement doesn't account for speed and nimbleness.
We need genuine speed wherever we can get it. Who?????

NOT AVAILABLE THIS WEEK:
Murphy
Docherty
Pickett
Williamson
Lang
Silvagni
Byrne
Cuningham (injured today)

SHOULD DROP:
Marchbank (lame?)
Kennedy (lame?)

We need outside speed, and another to help out Cripps, for Kennedy.
I can't think of any and imo Polson LeBois and Schumacher are not ready. Graham. Enough said.
Garlett is the only one available with outside speed we can bring in.

The difficulty is we seem to be a bit too tall, and if the case, which talls would to drop, if needed.

INS: Weitering Kreuzer, neither have outside speed, but they take the spot of too talls.
OUTS: Marchbank Kennedy. Only one is a tall.

POSSIBLE OUT: (for Garlett) Philips McKay Casboult Plowman Jones Silvagni
Probably Silvagni

INS: Kreuzer Weitering Garlett

We are really missing Murphy, Pickett, Willo, and ofcourse Docherty. Possibly Lang.
Our best 22 isn't that bad.

I also really hope more than 3 players win clearances this week.


McKay wasn't ready the week before he was ready
Why was Dow ready? (showed us some nice glimpses in 1 JLT - now there's continuity) What had O'Brien really done at VFL level?
I say, 'throw them into the cauldron'. They're young men. They'll be fine and guess what, all it takes is a clean possession, mark, goal assist or a goal and suddenly, they BELIEVE

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:06 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
Garlett's been dropped.


But has done plenty for them since he was given his marching orders. And I doubt he'd be dropped from our side now lol.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:09 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I think our list is good, albeit young. Its not a distaster.
We've lost games by 10 and 20 points recently, possibly we could have stolen them, but didnt.
Its not a disaster. Injuries are hitting us hard but we dont bat deep.

We have injuries, but what might help is getting the balance between height and speed right.
That needs fixing, and that's anyones guess.

Problem is all of our good fast Best 22 smalls are out injured.

Some argue most of our talls are mobile, which compensates for the height /smalls ratio.
Yet imo that simple measurement doesn't account for speed and nimbleness.
We need genuine speed wherever we can get it. Who?????

NOT AVAILABLE THIS WEEK:
Murphy
Docherty
Pickett
Williamson
Lang
Silvagni
Byrne
Cuningham (injured today)

SHOULD DROP:
Marchbank (lame?)
Kennedy (lame?)

We need outside speed, and another to help out Cripps, for Kennedy.
I can't think of any and imo Polson LeBois and Schumacher are not ready. Graham. Enough said.
Garlett is the only one available with outside speed we can bring in.

The difficulty is we seem to be a bit too tall, and if the case, which talls would to drop, if needed.

INS: Weitering Kreuzer, neither have outside speed, but they take the spot of too talls.
OUTS: Marchbank Kennedy. Only one is a tall.

POSSIBLE OUT: (for Garlett) Philips McKay Casboult Plowman Jones Silvagni
Probably Silvagni

INS: Kreuzer Weitering Garlett

We are really missing Murphy, Pickett, Willo, and ofcourse Docherty. Possibly Lang.
Our best 22 isn't that bad.

I also really hope more than 3 players win clearances this week.


McKay wasn't ready the week before he was ready
Why was Dow ready? (showed us some nice glimpses in 1 JLT - now there's continuity) What had O'Brien really done at VFL level?
I say, 'throw them into the cauldron'. They're young men. They'll be fine and guess what, all it takes is a clean possession, mark, goal assist or a goal and suddenly, they BELIEVE


Gotta agree. Give them a crack. Not much to lose....we ain't winning now and won't matter if we don't win with them either. Get some games into them.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:49 pm 
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IN - Lang
OUT - Silvagni

I would like to drop O'Shea and SPS but can't really see who would replace


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:16 pm 
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Tex Walker will probably be out this week.

we're a chance!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:30 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I think our list is good, albeit young. Its not a distaster.
We've lost games by 10 and 20 points recently, possibly we could have stolen them, but didnt.
Its not a disaster. Injuries are hitting us hard but we dont bat deep.

We have injuries, but what might help is getting the balance between height and speed right.
That needs fixing, and that's anyones guess.

Problem is all of our good fast Best 22 smalls are out injured.

Some argue most of our talls are mobile, which compensates for the height /smalls ratio.
Yet imo that simple measurement doesn't account for speed and nimbleness.
We need genuine speed wherever we can get it. Who?????

NOT AVAILABLE THIS WEEK:
Murphy
Docherty
Pickett
Williamson
Lang
Silvagni
Byrne
Cuningham (injured today)

SHOULD DROP:
Marchbank (lame?)
Kennedy (lame?)

We need outside speed, and another to help out Cripps, for Kennedy.
I can't think of any and imo Polson LeBois and Schumacher are not ready. Graham. Enough said.
Garlett is the only one available with outside speed we can bring in.

The difficulty is we seem to be a bit too tall, and if the case, which talls would to drop, if needed.

INS: Weitering Kreuzer, neither have outside speed, but they take the spot of too talls.
OUTS: Marchbank Kennedy. Only one is a tall.

POSSIBLE OUT: (for Garlett) Philips McKay Casboult Plowman Jones Silvagni
Probably Silvagni

INS: Kreuzer Weitering Garlett

We are really missing Murphy, Pickett, Willo, and ofcourse Docherty. Possibly Lang.
Our best 22 isn't that bad.

I also really hope more than 3 players win clearances this week.



Why are Marchbank and Kennedy lame?


Lame from previous injury.

Both didnt move well on Friday.

Kennedy couldnt accelerate and looked a liability TBH.

We cant play half fit blokes against fit blokes.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:33 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
Garlett's been dropped.


What I'm saying is the cupboard is bare for outside speed with injuries to Murphy, Docherty, Pickett and Lang.

There's only 1 left to pick from who may be able to offer something.

I agreed with Garlett being dropped as a wake up call, but didn't realise Kennedy wasn't right.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:34 pm 
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MIL wrote:
99prelim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I think our list is good, albeit young. Its not a distaster.
We've lost games by 10 and 20 points recently, possibly we could have stolen them, but didnt.
Its not a disaster. Injuries are hitting us hard but we dont bat deep.

We have injuries, but what might help is getting the balance between height and speed right.
That needs fixing, and that's anyones guess.

Problem is all of our good fast Best 22 smalls are out injured.

Some argue most of our talls are mobile, which compensates for the height /smalls ratio.
Yet imo that simple measurement doesn't account for speed and nimbleness.
We need genuine speed wherever we can get it. Who?????

NOT AVAILABLE THIS WEEK:
Murphy
Docherty
Pickett
Williamson
Lang
Silvagni
Byrne
Cuningham (injured today)

SHOULD DROP:
Marchbank (lame?)
Kennedy (lame?)

We need outside speed, and another to help out Cripps, for Kennedy.
I can't think of any and imo Polson LeBois and Schumacher are not ready. Graham. Enough said.
Garlett is the only one available with outside speed we can bring in.

The difficulty is we seem to be a bit too tall, and if the case, which talls would to drop, if needed.

INS: Weitering Kreuzer, neither have outside speed, but they take the spot of too talls.
OUTS: Marchbank Kennedy. Only one is a tall.

POSSIBLE OUT: (for Garlett) Philips McKay Casboult Plowman Jones Silvagni
Probably Silvagni

INS: Kreuzer Weitering Garlett

We are really missing Murphy, Pickett, Willo, and ofcourse Docherty. Possibly Lang.
Our best 22 isn't that bad.

I also really hope more than 3 players win clearances this week.


McKay wasn't ready the week before he was ready
Why was Dow ready? (showed us some nice glimpses in 1 JLT - now there's continuity) What had O'Brien really done at VFL level?
I say, 'throw them into the cauldron'. They're young men. They'll be fine and guess what, all it takes is a clean possession, mark, goal assist or a goal and suddenly, they BELIEVE


Gotta agree. Give them a crack. Not much to lose....we ain't winning now and won't matter if we don't win with them either. Get some games into them.


Good point.

I don't have the answers.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:16 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Tex Walker will probably be out this week.

we're a chance!


Nah 2 chances

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:08 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
Garlett's been dropped.


What I'm saying is the cupboard is bare for outside speed with injuries to Murphy, Docherty, Pickett and Lang.

There's only 1 left to pick from who may be able to offer something.

I agreed with Garlett being dropped as a wake up call, but didn't realise Kennedy wasn't right.


Sorry BB, I was responding to MIL who was claiming that we would be a contender if we still had the likes of Garlett (of the Jeffrey variety)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:00 pm 
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Wouldn't surprise me to see Lang rushed into the side. We need a bit of poise at the moment.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:58 pm 
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Wouldn't surprise me to see Lang rushed into the side. We need a bit of poise at the moment.


That scares me.
He comes in when AFL conditioned or the like

Kennedy and Marchbank were not right, but they were selected.
It was a liability against the zippy Doggies.
Should not happen.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:40 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Waterman wrote:
3votes Gibbs,2votes Betts,1vote Jacobs , just a little reminder from those guys as to what we have let go, Crows by plenty


That's oh so sad ain't it ? Add young guys to those ( and Thouy, Garlett etc etc) and folks we are contenders. The Hawks, Geelong, Swans manage to keep their core until they're close to retirement (Hawks let the trio go only when they were ready) and get the gun kids.....so remain top 8 teams forever.

Either we are a list management basket case or the AFL has to change things. Maybe a bit of both ??


Just off the top of my head (and I'm not much of a football history/stats kinda guy) the Hawks traded away Josh Kennedy to Sydney for very little plus traded people like Trent Croad and Campbell Brown in their prime. Plus Ben McGlynn also lost to Sydney.

Geelong lost Ablett in his prime. Probably others.

The Swans lost Mumford to GWS in his prime. Not mention Diesel to us!!!!

It happens. Gibbs begged to leave and Jacobs at the time of his trade was 3 or 4th string. Betts is the only one who still hurts.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:09 am 
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For me losing Jacobs still hurts as well. I was pissed off at the time and still am. Our ruck stocks now consist of an injury prone Krooz, and second class injury prone cast offs.

F#$k me, I don't pretend to be any great judge of talent, but if the club couldn't see the potential Jacobs had... The club should have fought tooth and nail to keep him.


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