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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:07 pm 
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Are they sure it was Cas that hit Hardigan. Hope they have it on video because I didn't see Cas at all yesterday.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:01 am 
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Are they sure it was Cas that hit Hardigan. Hope they have it on video because I didn't see Cas at all yesterday.

He was there. Here is a photo of him near the interchange bench

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Ha!
To be fair, Adelaide played Hartigan and Tallia on him all day, he was not going to get a touch. I wasn't at the ground, but we should have been able to arrange another loose target. Perhaps we did and it was Armfield although it didn't look like it (on TV).
Our problem is lack of options rather than the form of Caz or any other player.

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billc3 wrote:
Ha!
To be fair, Adelaide played Hartigan and Tallia on him all day, he was not going to get a touch. I wasn't at the ground, but we should have been able to arrange another loose target. Perhaps we did and it was Armfield although it didn't look like it (on TV).
Our problem is lack of options rather than the form of Caz or any other player.

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Yeah your spot on , teams worked us out months ago, double or triple tag Levi, scragged and thumped continuously any wonder the guy is frustrated and let's one go now and then.
he's our only Target and predictable avenue to goal.
Don't no why Bolton will not allow another couple of options KJ and or Jones at least we can attempt a a different approach?
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CONFIRMED: US Vice President Joe Biden coming to Melbourne and is attending the Carlton west coast game! @7NewsMelbourne

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:59 am 
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Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 25s26 seconds ago

AFL tribunal will not sit tonight after all players accepted the sanctions offered by the MRP from round 16.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:30 am 
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Effes wrote:
Jacqueline Felgate ‏@Jacquifelgate
CONFIRMED: US Vice President Joe Biden coming to Melbourne and is attending the Carlton west coast game! @7NewsMelbourne

Be prepared for increased security if you're going.


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billc3 wrote:
Ha!
To be fair, Adelaide played Hartigan and Tallia on him all day, he was not going to get a touch. I wasn't at the ground, but we should have been able to arrange another loose target. Perhaps we did and it was Armfield although it didn't look like it (on TV).
Our problem is lack of options rather than the form of Caz or any other player.

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Totally agree


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billc3 wrote:
Ha!
To be fair, Adelaide played Hartigan and Tallia on him all day, he was not going to get a touch. I wasn't at the ground, but we should have been able to arrange another loose target. Perhaps we did and it was Armfield although it didn't look like it (on TV).
Our problem is lack of options rather than the form of Caz or any other player.

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Astute observation.
I heard last week that Casboult is 2nd in the AFL for winning one on one contests. A decent feat.
The issue is trying to giving him a fair shot at a contest.

refer to the post by Blue Boys in the after match thread.

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I didn't think Bolton had his best day yesterday. They constantly had a spare player in defense and we would always fall in to the trap of kicking it to an out numbered contest. He admitted that he was aware of this in the press conference when a reporter asked why he chose not to man up Rory Laird, he claimed he didn't want it to effect our other structures. I can understand if you start a game this was, but clearly it wasn't working for us and we needed to recognize this and make some changes.


Blue Boys is correct that we're being badly outnumbered up forward. I love Bolts but using "structures" as an excuse is nonsense. Coaches are too often sheep and we're seeing replication of Melbournes half back run throughout the AFL at the moment.
Melbourne are using their half forwards to stream off half back at centre bounces and both teams used the tactic on Sunday.
Adelaide had Charlie Cameron running in off half back and Carlton used Liam Sumner.
I agree with the strategy as an idea but structurally it leaves us devoid of forward options if we get the ball forward from the centre bounce.

Exacerbating the problem was Andrew Walker starting as a second winger on a number of occasions which resulted in us having 3 forwards against 6 defenders.
The run off half back is understandable to trial but Walker off the wing was foolish and he failed to impact. A number of times the other forwards were calling him back but he did his own thing.

Our ability to get forward 50 entries is quite good but we have to find a balance to capitalise when we do. On the way to the game, I heard a stat that Carlton are only behind Hawthorn in turning opposition turnovers into forward 50 entries. A great indication of pressure and a well structured defence but we need to fix our ball use forward if centre or it will all count for very little. Other teams will be only too willing to let us win the ball behind centre if we give it back to them and they have an empty forward line to work into.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:41 pm 
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At least we only have to watch one ex Carlton player tears us to shreds this week.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:46 pm 
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Kane Lucas?

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Kanye is still playing?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:51 pm 
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Mr.Vain, thanks. A good read / view, as always.

For mine we have a couple of forwards who aren't creating and need to go - Walker / Everitt. I fear this is the end for Walker in the firsts but he just isn't in space, or when he is, his skills are letting us down.

51 forward entries last weekend and 20%+ went to packs of 6-7 players and Casboult in the middle - cue the inevitable Casboult hatred.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:18 am 
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I'm going to have to repeat most of what I wrote last week. While it wasn't received particularly well before the Adelaide game, it probably has more merit this week. I really didn't want to write an 'I told you so' post, but it still stands.

Casboult will now be out so I get a win there. It's not about his contested ball, or amazing marks. It's what he does once he gets the ball. As I wrote last week, he appears to be getting worse and if they aren't going to invest in him (Rocca coaching him), at 27 y.o., we need to make way for the future. I know his replacement isn't ready (McKay/Curnow) so it might be time to give some games to Jones and see what he can prove. Worse case, he shows nothing and we move him on having at least given him a shot. We've nothing to lose. We should see Curnow in about 4 weeks? so it's 4 games for Jones to prove he has something to offer. Casboult stays for depth until his contract ends, or trade. A crazy alternative is simply to alter the structure so that a small mobile player is always available to handball receive from Levi whenever he takes a possession but that'd be figured out pretty quickly, and we do not really have a lot of those types yet, anyway.

Everitt has to be replaced by Jaksch. I don't know the inner sanctums logic on not playing KJ, but if rumours are correct, it's between the ears. Everitt has the same issue but KJ has more upside. Can't hold KJ down, as a lesson, while gifting Everitt senior games with the same attitude.

1AW - I respectully dropped you last week, and don't want to retype my comments. You didn't do anything against the crows that proved me wrong. Great servant to the club.

I suggested Dick come in (oh, no, I didn't) for White. I know White tries his gutz out, so he may get Walker's spot, but Dick was the leading possession getter in the Magoo's this week. Might be time to reward that.

I mentioned that Daisy was holding his position by the skin of his teeth. His game against Adelaide showed much the same until he was benched with injury. Either way, injury niggle or form, I'd give him a week off and bring in DVR or Gowers.

I disagree with every poster who replied last week and said that people were over-reacting to a performance against a finals bound team. Somehow, we had all forgotten that we were only suppose to win 2 games this season and that we finished on the bottom of the ladder last year...... I completely agree that we have performed above expectation but it doesn't excuse bad decision making or bad performance. I'm extremely happy with the growth I've seen this year but continued improvement and another premiership will come from shrewd recruitment and list management, and sound decision making across the club. Particularly the match committee.

If this is a rebuild, then playing out of form senior players is a bad decision any week, finals bound or wooden spoon. The decision making process should be the same to teach the players that the effort will be rewarded, and likewise, that a drop in form will lose your spot on gameday. It is of little relevance to me if DVR is better than Daisy, for example. I would make a decision based on their form to ensure I get the best out of both of them. DVR would work his arse off knowing that his effort will be noticed. Daisy would know if he didn't bring the pressure every week, he'll be dropped. Too many players, for too long, have been gifted a spot in the senior team because of lack of depth. Games into developing players has to be considered worthwhile if a senior player is not performing.

A season is also a marathon, like it or not and it is widely understood that most players play with niggles week in, week out. I'd employ strategic rest weeks for players to try and get the best out of who is on the park, while creating an atmosphere where all players on the list believe they can play senior foot at any stage, if they work hard.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:25 am 
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Sore bodies
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To many out of form
100 point loss coming up


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:38 am 
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trublu wrote:
Sore bodies
Tired bodies
To many out of form
100 point loss coming up


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no talent
poor list

agree - 100 point loss in orange socks - just a double nail into the carlton coffin....


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:51 am 
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Don't agree about 100 points - West Coast will win but don't play G at all well - so reckon we will be better than last week and much closer than most people think

Need better performances in particular from lamb kerridge walker kreuzer Everett

Transition forward though must be better

West coast talls in front half will be problematic - white on darling gives me the shudders - perfect game to give Graham another go - jaksch should play - maybe forward but if we are getting murdered down back - need a lift around the packs and also about time our ruckmen started getting even share around the ground and at a centre bounce


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:02 pm 
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The last few weeks have been pretty much the same game on re-wind.

While I don't think Levi is ever going to be the colossus of the forward line we have been hoping for he has not been helped in any way by the selection of two ruckman who have been ineffectual as a forward option (though I believe Phillips could develop that ability). Nor has he been helped by Everitt who provides no pressure and wanders in & out of a game as the inclination takes him or Walker who insists on not taking defenders away from Casboult but rather continues to lead his direct opponent into Levi's space and tries take mark of the year over the top of him.

We certainly create enough entries into the F50 so what we need are smart forwards who will work to make life easier rather than more difficult for their co-forwards and by definition easier for their team-mates bringing the supply. I am not sure whether Jaksch and Jones are that but it is certainly time to find out.

And before I get off my soapbox, can someone tell Paddy Cripps he is our #1 clearance player and cannot do that when he is 3rd man up at a stoppage.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:11 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
trublu wrote:
Sore bodies
Tired bodies
To many out of form
100 point loss coming up


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no talent
poor list

agree - 100 point loss in orange socks - just a double nail into the carlton coffin....

LOL. We won't win but we won't lose by 100+. :oops:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:31 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Sore bodies
Tired bodies
To many out of form
100 point loss coming up

Yes. As a Blues supporter I'd love to go back to winning ways too. Another reason why I'd love to see us win will be because you'll disappear like you did in May, right?

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