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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:20 am 
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Robbo went ape in his column this morning about why we shouldn't get a PP. Not fair to the Bombers obviously...


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:34 am 
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Robbo needs to stop writing so much crap.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:34 am 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
Robbo went ape in his column this morning about why we shouldn't get a PP. Not fair to the Bombers obviously...

What will he say in 12 months if Essendon* have a horror season?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:24 am 
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toddkurnski wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:
Robbo went ape in his column this morning about why we shouldn't get a PP. Not fair to the Bombers obviously...

What will he say in 12 months if Essendon** have a horror season?


That the Bombers have been punished enough for a legal supplements program and deserve significant assistance as compensation for it.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:19 am 
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King Kenny wrote:
toddkurnski wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:
Robbo went ape in his column this morning about why we shouldn't get a PP. Not fair to the Bombers obviously...

What will he say in 12 months if Essendon*** have a horror season?


That the Bombers have been punished enough for a legal supplements program and deserve significant assistance as compensation for it.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:23 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
2012 draft - GWS and Gold Coast - 6 OF THE TOP 12 PICKS.
2013 draft - GWS and Gold Coast - 4 OF THE TOP 14 PICKS.
2014 draft - GWS and Gold Coast - 4 OF THE TOP 8 PICKS.

And yet one lousy extra pick for Carlton isn't warranted?


How does this make us any more deserving of a priority pick than any other team? Why don't the AFL just give 'one lousy extra pick' to each of the other 16 teams impacted by the creation of GWS & GC?

Equalisation via additional priority picks is a farce. We complain all year about our poor list management, drafting and development but then want the AFL to bail us out and save us from our own previous incompetence.. Screw that.

I'll accept us applying for it because I think it's merely a ploy to keep the AFL honest with the Kreuzer compo pick, but I don't think we, or any other team, should receive a priority pick. That whole scheme should be abolished.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:31 am 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
Robbo went ape in his column this morning about why we shouldn't get a PP. Not fair to the Bombers obviously...

In his "article" he came to the conclusion that brisbane probably don't deserve a PP either given we are worse on field.

Little does Robbo know that he just achieved what Trigg had intended to do with applying for the Pp. Afl cannot screw us over by giving brisbane a pp and not us now. Also, like melbourne last year, when they reject our request, it'll just bump up our Kreuz compo to guarantee pick 1.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:02 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
2012 draft - GWS and Gold Coast - 6 OF THE TOP 12 PICKS.
2013 draft - GWS and Gold Coast - 4 OF THE TOP 14 PICKS.
2014 draft - GWS and Gold Coast - 4 OF THE TOP 8 PICKS.

And yet one lousy extra pick for Carlton isn't warranted?


How does this make us any more deserving of a priority pick than any other team? Why don't the AFL just give 'one lousy extra pick' to each of the other 16 teams impacted by the creation of GWS & GC?

Equalisation via additional priority picks is a farce. We complain all year about our poor list management, drafting and development but then want the AFL to bail us out and save us from our own previous incompetence.. Screw that.

I'll accept us applying for it because I think it's merely a ploy to keep the AFL honest with the Kreuzer compo pick, but I don't think we, or any other team, should receive a priority pick. That whole scheme should be abolished.


Point 1 - how does it make us more deserving ?

In my opinion, the introduction of GWS and GC have interrupted the natural flow of draft picks, so that previously let's say 2014 Carlton would have picked pick 7 but without those new teams it would have been pick 3 or 4 or whatever...which in turn would have made it unlikely Carlton would have done that swap for Whiley/etc.

Too many teams is my argument...Carlton's list would have been stronger if GWS and Gold Coast weren't in the competition...teams down the bottom have been adversely effected the most by their entry into the competition.


Point 2 - equalisation

Equalisation has been piecemeal the whole time. Carlton deserves a bit of the equalisation pie more than any club. Been down the bottom of the ladder the longest etc.

If "equalisation" was REALLY JUST then Hawthorn would have not received all the AFL largesse - such as been given the state of Tasmania as their plaything, plus bonuses for playing at the MCG etc. where do you begin and end with equalisation? Either do away with every piece of it...and that is never going to happen.

abolishing equalisation -

I agree with you in theory...but only if that means every single plank of equalisation is removed..this includes the extra funding for North Melbourne, the coaching assistance for Melbourne, taxing Carlton money to prop up other clubs...every single piece of it..all of it goes. That isn't going to happen though. It isn't a free market competition...

so that is why Carlton as it stands (having received its worst ever lost in its 160 year history, lowest percentage, four wins etc) deserves a piece of the equalisation pie more than any other club.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:29 pm 
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We complain all year about our poor list management, drafting and development but then want the AFL to bail us out and save us from our own previous incompetence.. Screw that.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:32 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:
We complain all year about our poor list management, drafting and development but then want the AFL to bail us out and save us from our own previous incompetence.. Screw that.

:clap: :clap: :clap:


I don't doubt Carlton has been incompetent with their list management. eg Betts loss for gain of Collingwood player Thomas. eg that Footscray forward on a 3 year deal

However, that is just one element that explains Carlton's predicament. Another is the relative lack of AFL support compared to their project teams

eg AFL gifts given to numerous other clubs, but when it is Carlton's turn they are supposed to turn the other way? I disagree. You wait and see what the AFL has in store for Brisbane. This makes Brisbane stronger relative to Carlton. Why is Brisbane more important than Carlton? They just won 3 flags recently. So why should they get bailed out for theirpoor decisions but Carlton can't

Are we that proud? Forget pride Carlton needs help. I am not sitting through 100 point drubbings


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:40 am 
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Just remember we have 'Carlton Mike' in our corner.....he'll help us.
Couldn't possible turn his head away from his beloved blues again, especially when he has no financial stake involved this time.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:15 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
We complain all year about our poor list management, drafting and development but then want the AFL to bail us out and save us from our own previous incompetence.. Screw that.

:clap: :clap: :clap:


I don't doubt Carlton has been incompetent with their list management. eg Betts loss for gain of Collingwood player Thomas. eg that Footscray forward on a 3 year deal

However, that is just one element that explains Carlton's predicament. Another is the relative lack of AFL support compared to their project teams

eg AFL gifts given to numerous other clubs, but when it is Carlton's turn they are supposed to turn the other way? I disagree. You wait and see what the AFL has in store for Brisbane. This makes Brisbane stronger relative to Carlton. Why is Brisbane more important than Carlton? They just won 3 flags recently. So why should they get bailed out for theirpoor decisions but Carlton can't

Are we that proud? Forget pride Carlton needs help. I am not sitting through 100 point drubbings

No, self-sabotage is far more dignified than charity. Instead, let's slur out of the corner of our mouths that Brisbane might actually have a case for a PP and show ambivalence to the Kreuzer situation - that'll help Carlton.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:08 am 
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Can't think of many other reasons a team would be low enough to deserve a priority pick than poor drafting, list management and development. If they were decent at them things they wouldnt be at the bottom asking for a pick.

That is how most, if not all teams wind up on the bottom with little hope. Maybe being in the wrong spot when a new club is invented is another reason.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:48 am 
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club29 wrote:
Can't think of many other reasons a team would be low enough to deserve a priority pick than poor drafting, list management and development. If they were decent at them things they wouldnt be at the bottom asking for a pick.

That is how most, if not all teams wind up on the bottom with little hope. Maybe being in the wrong spot when a new club is invented is another reason.


Bravo.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:16 pm 
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Robbo needs to stop writing.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:58 pm 
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Over 90,000 at the G to see North and Tiges in an elimination final. You'd think the AFL would be falling over themselves to help the likes of Carlton, Essendon* and Collingwood play finals again.

It doesn't matter how much success you have if you haven't a strong following. Brisbane play four GF's in a row winning three, and in a few short years time they're a basket case again. At least let's have a level playing field, the introduction of Gold Coast and GWS has made the job of sides rebuilding so much harder.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:23 pm 
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We don't need a priority pick and neither do Brisbane

Both clubs have had poor management and deserve to be where they are today.

If Carlton never got Malthouse, we would probably be in the top 8 and the ex blues would still be at the club. MM got too many players off side and was too involved in recruiting, which led to bad recruitment decisions. Jaksh for pick 7 was just a wowser. To think we are so sweating on a number 2 pick, which is only 5 spots off pick 7.

Like any job, people leave bad environments due to poor management they receive, direction of the business and how much they are getting paid. What is Carlton's direction, management and environment like. MM got everyone excited saying he couldn't see the blues losing a game in preseason with no game plan. Round 2 we announce we are rebuilding and Murphy / Gibbs on the table. After that, the players are not playing for the coach and when the club needed to come out and just sack mick, the big fat prez says he is safe until end of season. They let it go on for 3 weeks until he got himself sacked. After the belting Hawks gave us weeks ago, Media has labelled user a rabble and need a full rebuild. Will take years to get back to the finals blah blah blah. Won't help in attracting players. Free agents generally go to premiership contenders now.

Brisbane is just as bad and neither deserve a priority pick. They both need to learn how to develop a list and create a good environment. Both clubs are toxic right now, but SOS and Bolton will turn that around quickly. I don't know what is worse though, 2 years of a drug case hanging over your heads or 2.5 years of malthouse running your club. How many quality players have left the club, it is a joke. Essendon* has kept it together better than both clubs before WADA appealed their case.

Priority pick is just insulting. So nah.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:25 pm 
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I don't remember this Jaksch deal. Might have to google it.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:32 pm 
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The delusion of Slobbos article was borne out by Richmond supporters yet again on the weekend.

They might already have a Treloar in their midfield and winning finals a fait accompli if Richmond had of asked for a priority pick in 2010

The real story however is they probably did ask for one and were told to @#$%&! off!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:46 pm 
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We don't need a priority pick and neither do Brisbane

Both clubs have had poor management and deserve to be where they are today.

If Carlton never got Malthouse, we would probably be in the top 8 and the ex blues would still be at the club. MM got too many players off side and was too involved in recruiting, which led to bad recruitment decisions. Jaksh for pick 7 was just a wowser. To think we are so sweating on a number 2 pick, which is only 5 spots off pick 7.

Like any job, people leave bad environments due to poor management they receive, direction of the business and how much they are getting paid. What is Carlton's direction, management and environment like. MM got everyone excited saying he couldn't see the blues losing a game in preseason with no game plan. Round 2 we announce we are rebuilding and Murphy / Gibbs on the table. After that, the players are not playing for the coach and when the club needed to come out and just sack mick, the big fat prez says he is safe until end of season. They let it go on for 3 weeks until he got himself sacked. After the belting Hawks gave us weeks ago, Media has labelled user a rabble and need a full rebuild. Will take years to get back to the finals blah blah blah. Won't help in attracting players. Free agents generally go to premiership contenders now.

Brisbane is just as bad and neither deserve a priority pick. They both need to learn how to develop a list and create a good environment. Both clubs are toxic right now, but SOS and Bolton will turn that around quickly. I don't know what is worse though, 2 years of a drug case hanging over your heads or 2.5 years of malthouse running your club. How many quality players have left the club, it is a joke. Essendon** has kept it together better than both clubs before WADA appealed their case.

Priority pick is just insulting. So nah.


So when is a priority pick appropriate Golts?

All teams that find themselves on the bottom are there because they stuffed up at some point. If they made all the right decisions they wouldn't be on the bottom.

Look through the history of the priority pick and you see that they were given to clubs who all stuffed up and found themselves hopelessly on the bottom.

Personally i think the AFL will loosen up on PP's and tighten up on compo picks. They ballsed it up with Frawley. Should have went the other way. They know that now and should switch it up if they want to even things up.

Still don't think we will get a pp this year. Maybe next year !


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