Freo don't win a flag this year they'll sell their soul for a ready made CHB/CHF.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Danger to Cats. Gibbs to Crows. Picks to us

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

Henderson needs a gorilla key forward alongside him or go to CHB. He is vital. Every player is tradeable depending on what gets offered.

About time they acknowledged a rebuild but people are right to ask why wasn't this started earlier?

If you are honest with the supporters you might be surprised at the response.

You also have to ask, if you are going into a rebuild you want one coach and a group of assistants who you will give 5 years to.........

So as part of the rebuild you appoint a rookie coach who has had 5-10+ years as an assistant at different clubs, preferably one that has recently enjoyed premiership success.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

We want 5 picks in the top 25-30 this year. We'll get 2 based on ladder position. We need to engineer another 3 - deals involving some combination of of Gibbs, Murphy, Hendo, Yarran, Walker should be used to achieve this.

We should also be looking to trade in young GWS and GC players who want to come home. And we should a very, very strong play for Tom Mitchell - he's finished at the Swans. He's already never picked, then last year they got Isaac Heeney, this year will be gifted Callum Mills and Josh Dunkley.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Oooooooh, you mean Brendan Bolton?

Yes, I agree.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Stooie Dooooooooooooooo!!!

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I hope Essendon* folds.

All those you listed - if any on list next year I will be extremely annoyed.

Break it down -

Start at the 29 & over - Id keep Simmo and one other to be our Riewoldt & Montagna types to lead the young group. Jamo would have mediocre value - maybe squeeze a late second round. He'd be retired by the end of 3 seasons so there is absolutely no point keeping him. Carrots retire. Judd retire if he wants - by all means keep if he wants to play on (which I think he won't). Trade Walker.

Then move to the middle age -

Gibbs Id personally keep because I believe he'll still be a high quality player in 3 years (despite his current form).
Murph being captain presents a dilemma. If he wasn't captain I'd sell him ASAP. In fact, I think captaincy disagrees with him soo much I'd do a Bulldogs. Give captaincy to Simmo (ala bob murphy) & sell Murph (like griffen - I know he wanted to leave but IMO like Griffen, murph can't do captaincy).
Yazz - he's still young enough to be a valuable contributor by end of rebuild but if he's a chance to go home when he's contract is up Id sell now because we'll get a higher price when contracted.

Kreuz - FA. If gets an offer that will get us 2nd rounder or higher - let him go.
See what bites we get for Tuohy and the like. ,

No point putting Daisy up - won't get much. But if there was a second rounder offered you'd have to consider if.
As explained earlier I'd keep Lach.

All kids stay. No point selling a Menz for picks - defeats the purpose of a rebuild.

Delist - all rookies but not the international ones.

Keep Giles if foot holds up & he plays VFL this year.

Pretty much off limits - Simmo, gibbs, Lach, menz, crippa, buckley, last year's draftees (simply because I thibk we'd make a loss on our investment)

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Edit: how the hell did I forget Doc. Off limits. The most off limits player on our list.

We can do a good job of Tanking without Tanking

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Cheats never prosper (except in the AFL)

You got to love our club. Effectively last after two rounds and two competitive quarters out of 8 against ordinary opposition with one of the oldest lists in the comp and we're "announcing" our rebuilt like it's something we're in control of rather than something we've been dragged kicking and screaming to and putting an arbitrary time limit on it to boot.

Say Dylan Shiel (for example) doesn't sign with GWS and wants to return to Melbourne.
Do we give up an early pick (say pick #3) for him or would that be considered a "quick fix"?

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There is no footy god

Those are just stats Effes, they need to be balanced with the bloke talking a language that engages the playing group and the football department.

Adelaide identified Phil Walsh despite his last taste of a premiership being 11 years ago. They looked at what Port was doing right, and identified Walsh as the guy to bring that to them. I suppose it's still following a trend, but it was a deeper implementation plan and correctly identifying their improvement as a paradigm shift rather than a fad.

Another key element about the Walsh appointment is that he has experience in fitness coaching as well as midfield coaching and has remained a student of the game for 2.5 decades after his playing career. He is across multiple facets in great detail, and previously had the flexibility of skill set to be a quality midfield coach, which I believe to be the most complex of the line coaching roles.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

we should give them pick 1 for him

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Rather give pick 3 to GWS and get 7 to 8 years from Dylan Shiel, than let our recruiters take a chance in the first round that by our recent history is barely better than a 1 in 3 chance in playing 50 games.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Yes, rebuilding doesn't mean getting rid of Henderson type and drafting someone who might not be as a good. Especially as every young tall is a risk until you see how they turn out. Keep decent KP players to the death until the young ones come through and develop. They're too hard to replace.

Rebuilding and developing is a blend of draftees and some experience to take the heat and give the young blokes some ability to work in with.

Yea ... well ... the Madhouse has already disposed of our forwards ... so what the hell ... lets have a fire sale.

I don't think I can ever remember a Carlton Coach that has so utterly decimated a playing group. The current crop are not not listening to him and are not playing for him.

He came to a club that had recovered from years at the bottom ... brought all his buddies along for the ride ... set about teaching old style football (you know ... boundary line, stop start, bomb randomly to the forwards). Meanwhile young modern coaches were winning premierships.

And NOW ... we have to rebuild.

Blow the Trumpet ... Ring the Bell ... ITS A FIRE SALE.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Sorry...but this is a stunt. Rebuild in the next 3 years....what's the age profile of our players again?...rebuild...so did we have a choice did we?

Read my signature...first bit not the second

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“Every single element of the Club has to be the best in the league, meticulously and methodically, and only by doing this will we be elite and challenge for number 17.”
Greg Lee

I've had a half open pocket knife for this kid ever since he tagged Murph out of a game in his first season.

He's skipper material. #3 is a guaranteed win.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

You're nit-picking a bit Jim but the point is Walsh is someone who had been an assistant for a long time at different clubs. Beveridge at Collingwood and Hawthorn, Richardson at countless clubs. As Jake Niall said in May 2013, "Some fortunate sons will succeed, just as surely as career coaches - which remain a clear majority of them - fail. But in this age, the scoreboard heavily favours those who weren't favoured."

Of course, some experienced rookie coaches fail - see McCarthy and Knights, just as experienced coaches fail (Pagan and Malthouse).

One other positive in favour of the rookie coach is that if they are a bust the contract pay out isn't as big as it is for the 'coaching giants'.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

^THIS^

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“Every single element of the Club has to be the best in the league, meticulously and methodically, and only by doing this will we be elite and challenge for number 17.”
Greg Lee

Shiel keeps up his start to the season and pick 3 won't be enough.