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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:35 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Are bottom 6 teams allowed to play a top 6 team twice?

I thought the rule was bottom 6 teams get a bottom 6 team twice and 3 middle 6 teams twice.



The rule is whatever the AFL says it is. The three key letters in 'fixture' are the first 3.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:38 pm 
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Carlton played finals in 2012 and finished 6th = top 6 draw in 2014.

North finished in the middle 6 in 2013= middle 6 draw.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:38 pm 
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St Kilda in New Zealand, flower that. :roll:

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tap in 79 wrote:
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
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As?



That is what North got wasn't it?

Playing Hawthorn twice as someone has suggested is crazy...


I don't see the point of scraping into the 8 just by beating the lower sides then struggling against the top sides in the finals. If you can't beat the better sides what's the point?



That is what North Melbourne got in 2014..
2 games against Brisbane
2 games against Bulldogs
2 games against Melbourne.

That got them into the finals and enabled them to "scrape into the 8" and after that get enough confidence to go onto the preliminary.
I want the same type of deal North got and to give Carlton the best chance of making the finals. I don't really care about how many times Carlton plays "blockbuster" teams as long as they maximise the chance of winning. Playing Hawthorn twice will not maximise the opportunity for Carlton victories.


Unless carlton can beat the top sides, which they've struggled for a number of years now to do, an armchair ride into the finals isn't going to help them win a premiership.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:44 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Are bottom 6 teams allowed to play a top 6 team twice?

I thought the rule was bottom 6 teams get a bottom 6 team twice and 3 middle 6 teams twice.


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The rules that will determine which clubs play each other twice:

– Sides ranked 1-6 on the ladder will have a minimum of two and a maximum of three double-meetings with other top six sides. They will have a minimum of one and a maximum of two double-meetings with sides ranked in the second bracket (7-12). They will have either no double meetings or a maximum of one double-meeting with a side ranked 13-18.

– Sides ranked 7-12 on the ladder will have a minimum of one and a maximum of two double-meetings with sides ranked in the top third bracket (1-6). They will have at least two but no more than three double-meetings with teams in the same bracket. They will have a minimum of one and a maximum of two double-meetings with sides ranked 13-18.

– Sides ranked in the bottom third (13-18) will have either no or a maximum of one double-meeting with a side ranked 1-6. They will have at least one but no more than two double-meetings with sides ranked 7-12. They will have a minimum of two and a maximum of three double-meetings with sides ranked in the same lower third bracket (13-18).


Would fit Sticks's post. We are a bottom 6 side and would play Hawks (top), Coll/Tigers (mid), Giants/Lions (bottom)


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:15 pm 
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nck wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Are bottom 6 teams allowed to play a top 6 team twice?

I thought the rule was bottom 6 teams get a bottom 6 team twice and 3 middle 6 teams twice.


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The rules that will determine which clubs play each other twice:

– Sides ranked 1-6 on the ladder will have a minimum of two and a maximum of three double-meetings with other top six sides. They will have a minimum of one and a maximum of two double-meetings with sides ranked in the second bracket (7-12). They will have either no double meetings or a maximum of one double-meeting with a side ranked 13-18.

– Sides ranked 7-12 on the ladder will have a minimum of one and a maximum of two double-meetings with sides ranked in the top third bracket (1-6). They will have at least two but no more than three double-meetings with teams in the same bracket. They will have a minimum of one and a maximum of two double-meetings with sides ranked 13-18.

– Sides ranked in the bottom third (13-18) will have either no or a maximum of one double-meeting with a side ranked 1-6. They will have at least one but no more than two double-meetings with sides ranked 7-12. They will have a minimum of two and a maximum of three double-meetings with sides ranked in the same lower third bracket (13-18).


Would fit Sticks's post. We are a bottom 6 side and would play Hawks (top), Coll/Tigers (mid), Giants/Lions (bottom)


Would be better if it was Geelong or North (top), Coll/Tigers (mid), Giants/St Kilda.. or Melbourne/St Kilda

Lions is tougher as away from home and they are being AFL funded right now.

It is ridiculous for a team that came 13th to play the top team twice. Hawthorn is a team that Carlton hasn't beaten since the mid 2000s.

If the AFL want to make money the fixture is where they can make and lose millions. They want a close finals race. They won't get it they make a fixture like Carlton vs Hawthorn twice. You can pencil in two immediate losses to Hawthorn there.

Carlton is technically the 2nd most supported club in the league - if they do what they can to give Carlton an easier draw they make more money. Logical.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:05 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
St Kilda in New Zealand, flower that. :roll:


Pathetic that we now have to travel to play a Victorian club, and to make it even better no free to air coverage.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:10 pm 
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Pathetic that we now have to travel to play a Victorian club, and to make it even better no free to air coverage.


It will be interesting to see if our members are compensated with access rights to an away game.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:43 am 
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CK95 wrote:
Gab wrote:
Pathetic that we now have to travel to play a Victorian club, and to make it even better no free to air coverage.


It will be interesting to see if our members are compensated with access rights to an away game.


Usually those rights are for home games CK.......how are the 18 games members going to be compensated, does it mean one less interstate game?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:49 am 
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CK95 wrote:
Gab wrote:
Pathetic that we now have to travel to play a Victorian club, and to make it even better no free to air coverage.


It will be interesting to see if our members are compensated with access rights to an away game.



I thought Hawthorn only got this type of access rights to away game compensation, plus the $1 rent at Waverley, plus the Tasmanian deal.

There you go you got me going on my rant.

"We're a happy team at Hawthorn...one dollar rent of Waverley" "one $ for all and all for one $ "

Can't see Carlton getting anything like a Hawthorn deal with away game compensation. That is one way Hawthorn has to build its membership. Not open to other clubs though.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:12 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Gab wrote:
Pathetic that we now have to travel to play a Victorian club, and to make it even better no free to air coverage.


It will be interesting to see if our members are compensated with access rights to an away game.

I wonder if this NZ trip is counted as one of our interstate trips. We could get another 5 interstate trips meaning we only play 16 games in Melbourne.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:00 pm 
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Do we request all these retarded timeslot/location fixtures or are we just really, really lucky?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:41 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:

Would be better if it was Geelong or North (top), Coll/Tigers (mid), Giants/St Kilda.. or Melbourne/St Kilda

Lions is tougher as away from home and they are being AFL funded right now.

It is ridiculous for a team that came 13th to play the top team twice. Hawthorn is a team that Carlton hasn't beaten since the mid 2000s.

If the AFL want to make money the fixture is where they can make and lose millions. They want a close finals race. They won't get it they make a fixture like Carlton vs Hawthorn twice. You can pencil in two immediate losses to Hawthorn there.

Carlton is technically the 2nd most supported club in the league - if they do what they can to give Carlton an easier draw they make more money. Logical.


Why should the AFL care that our form against Hawthorn is shit, and why should they care that Brisbane is a side on the improve? Why should they gift us games against Melbourne and St Kilda? The Hawks, Tigers, Pies, Lions, Giants fixture meets their framework perfectly. 'Gift the big sides an armchair ride to the finals and rake in the profits' is not in their policy, not as far as I can tell anyway.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:48 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:

Would be better if it was Geelong or North (top), Coll/Tigers (mid), Giants/St Kilda.. or Melbourne/St Kilda

Lions is tougher as away from home and they are being AFL funded right now.

It is ridiculous for a team that came 13th to play the top team twice. Hawthorn is a team that Carlton hasn't beaten since the mid 2000s.

If the AFL want to make money the fixture is where they can make and lose millions. They want a close finals race. They won't get it they make a fixture like Carlton vs Hawthorn twice. You can pencil in two immediate losses to Hawthorn there.

Carlton is technically the 2nd most supported club in the league - if they do what they can to give Carlton an easier draw they make more money. Logical.


Why should the AFL care that our form against Hawthorn is shit, and why should they care that Brisbane is a side on the improve? Why should they gift us games against Melbourne and St Kilda? The Hawks, Tigers, Pies, Lions, Giants fixture meets their framework perfectly. 'Gift the big sides an armchair ride to the finals and rake in the profits' is not in their policy, not as far as I can tell anyway.



Well the AFL gave North Melbourne an armchair ride into the finals in 2014 with a much better draw than the teams that finished 7th-10th. The draw one gets is a massive component of whether a team makes the finals or not.

Having Carlton playing Hawthorn twice is not in the AFL's long term interest based on making money, as the result is obvious before one turns up to the match and would not benefit a closer finals race. But I agree, looking after Carlton's interest is not the AFL's priority. The AFL have demonstrated this fact on regular ocassions.

Re: games vs St Kilda and Melbourne - Carlton finished bottom six...so double matches against those teams or other bottom six teams are justified on those grounds.


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Just do a random draw..no need for @#$%&! manipulating every tiny thing in this shit little "competition"

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:25 pm 
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Friday 1st may vs the filth for MMs record breaker


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/carlto ... 7103972020

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FFS. Just started reading this rubbish.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:44 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Friday 1st may vs the filth for MMs record breaker


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/carlto ... 7103972020


If we're playing in NZ on the Saturday before, surely we'd be playing the pies on the Saturday 2nd rather than Friday night?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:56 pm 
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Number19Tram wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Friday 1st may vs the filth for MMs record breaker


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/carlto ... 7103972020


If we're playing in NZ on the Saturday before, surely we'd be playing the pies on the Saturday 2nd rather than Friday night?



tV dictates otherwise


Wellington is closer than Perth....and you gain time flying back

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