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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:43 pm 
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I think it's too early to call Thomas a waste.


I agree, but his first season has been just average and his recruitment is about getting serious success over the next couple of years, which is unlikely. I guess the issues are recruiting a guy who is returing from a very serious long term injury and not really knowing to what extent that will restrict him long term; massive salary commitment; get no draft pick as compo for losing Eddie Betts; and maybe some of DT's salary could have gone to retaining Eddie. Losing him has hurt us a lot I think, not just for his own contribution but also for him making Jeff G a better player, instead of someone who is in the 2s and may be given the flick.

If Thomas gets back to his absolute best and we win a flag, it will look like a good trade but the chances of the former are iffy and the latter very unlikely. Wait and see, but he would need to be top 3 in the b and f next year otherwise the deal is looking sick.


Thomas isn't a waste at all. His inclusion has been a big factor in Murphy and GIBBS having the best year they've both had for quite some time.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:54 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Thomas isn't a waste at all. His inclusion has been a big factor in Murphy and GIBBS having the best year they've both had for quite some time.


Don't think I said he was a waste but the jury is well and truly out, and not sure how his roles this year as a battling mid, anaverage defensive forward, or a loose man in defence has helped Gibbs or Murphy much. No other side has bothered tagging him. He hasn't taken much pressure off anyone. If he gets to his best he will, so far he is well below that.

Gibbs has had his best season from round 5 or so on, and Murph has been quite good but not as good as his b and f year.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:39 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Thomas isn't a waste at all. His inclusion has been a big factor in Murphy and GIBBS having the best year they've both had for quite some time.


Don't think I said he was a waste but the jury is well and truly out, and not sure how his roles this year as a battling mid, anaverage defensive forward, or a loose man in defence has helped Gibbs or Murphy much. No other side has bothered tagging him. He hasn't taken much pressure off anyone. If he gets to his best he will, so far he is well below that.

Gibbs has had his best season from round 5 or so on, and Murph has been quite good but not as good as his b and f year.


Don't disagree with you there at all.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:10 pm 
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Daisy was never meant to play until August this year, (from the collingwood doctors/ medico department) ... he was always going to come good if he stayed healthy.

low and behold we're in august and he's been one of our best players.

by next season, at this current trajectory we seem to be on, this team could fire right up and do some good things.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:28 pm 
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Look, as much as I'd love to be negative about us, I'm more accepting of Judd believing the group is finally on track vs personal agendas on this board about the coach.

But yeah, evil bastard etc.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:33 am 
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Glass half full. Good on you. We need optimists like you. I used to be one but now the life has been sucked out of me.
If we win another premiership in my lifetime I'll be surprised. Pleased, though.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:41 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Daisy was never meant to play until August this year, (from the collingwood doctors/ medico department) ... he was always going to come good if he stayed healthy.

low and behold we're in august and he's been one of our best players.


One of our best players?
He was offering nothing 6 weeks ago. Daisy wouldn't be close to the top 10 of our B&F at the moment.
Yes he's improved over the past month but to suggest he's been one of our best players is ridiculous.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:02 am 
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No doubt we improved in recent weeks however blind Freddy can see that the performances of Judd, Waite and Simpson (and Carazzo was good against Freo) have been major factors.
Going forward any improvement in our younger brigade is likely to be at least partially offset by the decline in these players in my opinion.
Sure we have lost our fair share of close matches this year however don't forget we had a bit of luck against West Coast and Adelaide.
In summary I can see us improving next year if things go to plan however can't see us making the top 6.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:22 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Daisy was never meant to play until August this year, (from the collingwood doctors/ medico department) ... he was always going to come good if he stayed healthy.

low and behold we're in august and he's been one of our best players.


One of our best players?
He was offering nothing 6 weeks ago. Daisy wouldn't be close to the top 10 of our B&F at the moment.
Yes he's improved over the past month but to suggest he's been one of our best players is ridiculous.



... let me clarify what I meant. Daisy has been one of our best players for the month of august. Ironically, this is the month he was not expected to resume playing AFL again.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:49 am 
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One thing y'all are forgetting is that we were within 4 points of a prelim and walker should've got a free in the goal square.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:01 am 
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I don't think anyone is forgetting about that for one second moshe.

I for one, have the moment tattooed to my pectoral.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:13 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Daisy was never meant to play until August this year, (from the collingwood doctors/ medico department) ... he was always going to come good if he stayed healthy.

low and behold we're in august and he's been one of our best players.


One of our best players?
He was offering nothing 6 weeks ago. Daisy wouldn't be close to the top 10 of our B&F at the moment.
Yes he's improved over the past month but to suggest he's been one of our best players is ridiculous.


He's played every game - he'd be there by virtue of the "everyone gets a vote based on how they performed their role" system rather than a traditional 3-2-1.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:28 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
and maybe some of DT's salary could have gone to retaining Eddie.


Can we leave the Eddie Betts mythology out of one argument? Ever stopped to consider the fact that Eddie's reasons for going weren't financially motivated? For the same reasons the knockers think it's ridiculous that Carlton didn't/couldn't match the chump change difference in Adelaide's offer, you should be able to flip the coin and see that such a small increase isn't the prime motivator here. Family/dying dad anyone?

As far as I'm concerned, I read between the lines and see that Carlton could afford to scrape the slight difference in cash offered but Eddie wanted to go...why would they match it and effectively force him to stay somewhere he didn't wanna be while his ill father degenerated in SA and he couldn't be near his family? Compassionate grounds for mine, they just didn't come out and disclose the entire process.

Eddie wanted to go, the club let him go. The money was irrelevant and keeping him just wouldn't have been fair to Eddie.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:50 am 
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I for one, have the moment tattooed to my pectoral.


:lol: :clap:

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I have no issue with Eddie leaving and recruiting Thomas.
I think the 2 issues are separate .Both are young men trying to get there best out of a proffesion whilst they can.
At tge time Eddie left Garlett was looking more like a better prospect forward than Eddie .
It looks like it was the wrong call but good luck to Eddie you are only in the game a short while so make the most of it.
If anything that Malthouse has done that has been good he has removed out reliance on the 3 small forwards to win us games.
We were never going to progress deep into finals with our main goal kickers being Betts Garlett Yarran Ellard Murphy and co.
He has been fortunate tgat Rowe has cone good and he has been able to shift Hebdi forward although I feel Hendo is our best backman .Our lacj of a forward target is probably robbing the competition of seeing a truely great CHB develop.
Malthouse made a mistake by putting in 3 tall forwards and devising a game style where you banged it into them and hoped if they didnt mark it Garlett wiuld be there to swoop.
It was dumb as the narking target cant kick and the other 2 are leading forwards.
Plus as it turned out Garlett was easily taken out of the game.
He has changed things up recently and it suits the cattle he has but he should have realised this in the preseason.
Plus the return to form of Judd as been a blessing from heaven it means we are better at tge clearances and stoppages.
He beeded Warnock in the hope he could sit it down tge throat of the players but Warnock deprived him of anything around the ground. We the competition stoppage king back it enable him to use Wood and pick up more around the ground
It will be interesting how we come out in the early rounds next year because 2 years in a row we have got in wrong and when You lose 3-4 game of the bat there is no coming back

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Sorry for all the typos
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:55 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Sorry for all the typos
Fat fingers

Is that related to your whole posting history or just that last post?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:39 am 
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realiise that we are not good enough , trade .swap and sell.Tell the players to enjoy the spring carnival and the following week bring the runners. Start pre season early weights and running this what i want to see.( no training in the snow overseas crap either) .


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Sydney Blue wrote:
We have been building for the future for a long long time now
We were heading in the right direction and turned back
Every club is building for the future .Im sure if you spkoe to any other supporter they would say the same
Tigers supporters are saying hand over tge 2015 cup now its there's already
Football is about the here and now not what is happening down the track
You have to put yourself into the best position to win as many games as possible then give yourself a crack at it.
Supporters are fooled by this building for the future crap.
We are not a GwS or GC we haven't been given a bunch of kids
Malthouse was handed a list of players including 10 top 10 draft picks all approaching their age where they peak

He took us backwards

If you cant understand that its not my problem

Football is about results we ain't getting them


My 23 month old daughter has been doing the toilet training thing for the last few weeks. Apparently, so my wife was told, at 23 months of age kids are ready to throw away the nappy.
So up she got a few weeks ago. Threw away all the nappies because they are for little girls, and put on underpants for the first time.
She took to it like a dream. All we heard from day one was "wee wee , wee wee" and "poo poo, poo poo". I didnt realise they went so often.

During the last two weeks she misfired on some occasions, but for the most part it was going rather well.
Than on Monday of this week, she misfired all day. For no apparent reason.Just misfired. All day and night.Accidents everywhere.Disaster.
Mummy must have changed her "big girls underpants" 15 times during that day and night.

Late on Monday evening, whilst the little darling was asleep and preparing to wet the bed again in a few hours time, we conviened our board meeting and after much debate finally decreed to keep the message the same.
We knew that if we stayed consistant and postive with the message, she would get it eventally and be heading in the right direction again in no time. Had we changed our approach on Monday, we would have set the little darling back weeks if not months with our mixed messages. It was vital to keep the message the same. We thought it best not to change our approach just because the results of the day were negative.We were after the long term results After all baby number two is only months away. This just has to work.

Since Tuesday morning we have only had two accidents.
She took a step back on Monday, but she got the hang of it again pretty quickly since Tuesday and has been so proud of herself. I wouldnt say we have nailed it just yet, but we are well on the way.

Sometimes you just have to regress to progress.


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