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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:37 pm 
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Malthouse the man manager is still fine. Malthouse the match day coach is over. I am torn. We are so week as a footy dept. Malthouse is good value. A new coach would have shit support. I am happy to hold Mick for a bit more and grow talent in footy dept and get a decent assistant. Then move mick on. I can see him stay another 12 mths on current contract easily.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:38 pm 
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I would see what hendo is worth on the market and trade if I could get a top 9 pick. But would not over invest in one draft. Trade someone else the next year too. Not sure who though as we have sweet fa to trade.

Hendo is a brilliant defender
should be playing there along with Gibbs
Walker should be forward and so should Rowe as goid has he has been Hendo was far better

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Sydney Blue wrote:

No structure
No method
No idea


That is the scary bit. They players look like they have no idea what they are doing out there. There is no game style that is linked to our team except the crabbing it around the boundary. No method in defending apart from the 2010 version of the press which is no way to stop a team from scoring in 2014. It is terrible and makes us so easy to play against.
GWS were better drilled in holding on to a lead in the last 10 mins. They took 8 mins off the clock without the ball moving 40m. Smart enough to do it. When we had our chance to do it against Bris and Geelong our players were not well drilled enough.
Today we were shown the way by a bunch of kids.

No wonder we loved the Richmond final. It is the only chance we have had to get excited since early 2012.

Mick is taking us for a ride.


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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:47 pm 
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Agree, & we also play an exhausting style of footy.

We have to work so damn hard for our goals - no wonder we can't build & maintain a lead.

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 Post subject: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:55 pm 
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Mick is a nasty egotist, who is smart, bitter, holds grudges and places himself above everything, has no commitment to Carlton, only to himself and his legacy. He is a smart ruthless politician whose motivation is about getting back at the pies for pushing him out. It is not beyond the realms of imagination that Mick is playing a long game, counting on the fact that we have sacked our last three coaches in contract, that we won't do that this time, so he has three years to earn himself an extension. If we are terrible this year and play way below our talent, he is still safe for one season. That suits him. He only needs to improve us to an average side next year who with luck might get to the bottom of the 8. Mick looks like a genius, which suits his ego, he gets a two year extension and remains an AFL coach. No good for us, but good for Mick and his ego. And if we see through this and sack him after an improved 2015, he can cast himself as a victim, which he loves. I may be paranoid but it doesn't mean it's not true


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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:38 pm 
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Maybe he'll top Jock McHale's record and bank that for his egocentric coaching & CFC career?


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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:39 pm 
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We are well & truly [REDACTED]

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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:53 pm 
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hey syd ... alot of players that were playing when ratten had us playing back then... arent even playing footy anymore ... the game is very different too.
too bad time doesnt stand still... these days ... ratten is third banana coach at hawthorn .. back then he was our head coach

in the meantime we have had 5 or 6 years of nothing coming through the draft for us.

we have no leaders... out team is old.. and nobody taked front runners seriously anymore....
if u havent developed a team over years to run two ways .. both taught and drafted .. youre pretty much pushing shit up hill.

just think back to your life..... is your life the same today as it was 4 years ago?

and you have your mate sticks to thank for all of that... do not forget to thank him for the club going backwards in ALL facets of the competition....

remember that carlton swagger you wanted... you have it...

there is no club in the league that cant find draftees from the last 5 years drafting to play....

no other club.....

show me a club that has the kind of void we do..
this void dates back alot longer than 2 years ago

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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:56 pm 
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MM's contract can't be extended - have to think of the long term consequences - if he re-signs, does he then get another go after that?

2 years or 3? How old will he be then?

His actions along with others at the club will mean thousands don't renew their membership for 2015.

Is the new President and the board capable of building a football department through careful and considered appointments? Interviewing a group of assistants before appointing one as senior coach?

Are they able to put MM under the same scrutiny that say a Rogers is put under? Or does he get away with it because he's a "name"? No one should be exempt from scrutiny - we know that MM didn't like scrutiny from those in charge at Collingwood and didn't like assistant coaches voicing their opinions. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:58 pm 
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In thinking long term, and looking for a model, the Blues need look no further than the team on top of the AFL ladder. In 2005, the Hawks took a major risk on a coach with no profile. They accepted a 32 per cent win rate through two seasons of rebuilding, won a flag two years later, and may win another this year. On current indications, it's likely they have a 10-year-plus coach. It's a reward for their courage, conviction and clear thinking.

It was the type of appointment Carlton of the past 50 years would never have made.


http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/l ... 257iz.html

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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:02 pm 
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Melbourne had that void,

Didnt take Roos long did it?

In fact the demons were just too good for us werent they.

Now their list is elite like Ports was all of a sudden when Hinkley took over

Same as the Lions - we just couldn't handle Peperone on Rye (HBF like Bootsma) that night and Zorko Alloy with his 14 tackles in the mid field.

Leppitsch too cunning in the dying minutes

giants playing crap for most of the year - Cameron too cunning. Mumford, Ward play their best games for the club against us. Cant stop them - too elite like Cornes and daisy.

No Murphy today. So that would mean that we should have a genuine replacement in the leadership area - a replacement like Docherty, Everitt or Daisy (the wing and pocket specialists)

Daisy performing on a par with ellard - wonder what the difference in pay is there?

Then we have the Hawks, the slowest team since the early 1940s, but we cant exploit them. Bolton too cunning from the box in his 3rd game as senior coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:08 pm 
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Swap our first pick for t mitchell and swans first pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:22 pm 
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melbourne?
whats melbourne done?
less than richmond last year....

u watch the most unconvincing things cretylus....
seriously you must have loved 'chariots of the gods'.. and got all the books..

still u dont cover the drafting black hole....

how do u play ripper footy when u dont have any player transfusions for 5 years??

its just that it doesnt seem to support what your fanciful mirage arguments....

can u explain what not having anything coming through over 5 years would do to any list.. when terrific players only play for about double that...

im seriously interested to hear the answer.....

u can analyse all u like as long as u analyse everything with some kind of perspective.
otherwise its just more navel gazing...

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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:55 pm 
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I find it hilarious that many of you are only now coming into the 'acceptance' stage. Perhaps the club will too?? Yes losing sucks...but it sucks a lot more when there's something to play for. So for me this loss barely registered in the upset stakes. Only a few things need to happen over the next few weeks. Those players who need surgery and/or rest shouldn't play again. There were three of those playing last night.

Secondly, a senior assistant coach has to be found. If this is Blake Caracella so be it but I'm not convinced he has senior coaching aspirations. That individual should. I'm confident that process has begun. Lastly, play the likes of Graham, Temay, Watson, Johnson. Give them a taste..see how they handle it. It's not about 2014...it's about 2015. Be brave and daring...try something new.


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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:57 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
I find it hilarious that many of you are only now coming into the 'acceptance' stage. Perhaps the club will too?? Yes losing sucks...but it sucks a lot more when there's something to play for. So for me this loss barely registered in the upset stakes. Only a few things need to happen over the next few weeks. Those players who need surgery and/or rest shouldn't play again. There were three of those playing last night.

Secondly, a senior assistant coach has to be found. If this is Blake Caracella so be it but I'm not convinced he has senior coaching aspirations. That individual should. I'm confident that process has begun. Lastly, play the likes of Graham, Temay, Watson, Johnson. Give them a taste..see how they handle it. It's not about 2014...it's about 2015. Be brave and daring...try something new.


Re:Carracella he said in an interview in the past couple of weeks he definitely has senior coaching aspirations.


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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:10 am 
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emtwenty wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
I find it hilarious that many of you are only now coming into the 'acceptance' stage. Perhaps the club will too?? Yes losing sucks...but it sucks a lot more when there's something to play for. So for me this loss barely registered in the upset stakes. Only a few things need to happen over the next few weeks. Those players who need surgery and/or rest shouldn't play again. There were three of those playing last night.

Secondly, a senior assistant coach has to be found. If this is Blake Caracella so be it but I'm not convinced he has senior coaching aspirations. That individual should. I'm confident that process has begun. Lastly, play the likes of Graham, Temay, Watson, Johnson. Give them a taste..see how they handle it. It's not about 2014...it's about 2015. Be brave and daring...try something new.


Re:Carracella he said in an interview in the past couple of weeks he definitely has senior coaching aspirations.


Good to hear em...hopefully if he comes across another might follow...(not Ling).


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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:19 am 
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Senior assistant? Senior coach you mean. We dont have one at the moment unless you mean the white haired pensioner yelling at everything on the boundary.

The pensioner has been given everything he wants, Arizona trip, his own assistants, daisy , cam wood anything else he wants.

And what we get is a team going backwards. Sack him now and watch the players come back to live again.


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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:29 am 
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Sorry G'berg...but that scenario is only going to happen in your wet dreams. And your complaints (Arizona, Daisy, Wood) are positives...not negatives. Mick "The Pensioner" Malthouse and Rob Wiley "E.Coyote" will be re-energised with some footy IQ in the box. I'm buoyant about the future!


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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:35 am 
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trublu wrote:
Rexy wrote:
trublu wrote:
How is a board spill gonna fix our playing list. I think some of you are so bored with life, that you prefer drama over success because you ain't got nothing better to do.


The current board has failed in their FD appointments over many years.

Time for a new board to rebuild the clubs FD personnel.


The CEO makes football department decisions. Greg Swan has been removed for a number of reasons. He failed to identify that we lacked quality in a number if crucial areas. Greg Swan was never interested in appointing a list manager as he enjoyed sitting in on a list management committee.

Greg swan is no linger at the club because Paul Roos had told the club (sticks actually) that he would coach us in 2014 but Greg Swan Wanted his mate Mick and convinced some important people to back him in. We went a year to early on Ratten and looks what happened. Now I'm not saying Roos would have us playing finals, but he is a smart football operator and the right man to lead change especially our culture.

We have a new president. A man who is fed up with the position we are currently in. A very passionate Carlton man who will drive change. He is very strategic and ruthless but. Est of all he's here for the right reasons. He's not here to pump up his own ego. For the celebrity status. He's here to drive change and change is coming. He has someone along side him for the ride that I pretty sure we all know how he is, together they will rebuild this club.


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 Post subject: Re: Now what?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:46 am 
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I find it hilarious that many of you are only now coming into the 'acceptance' stage. Perhaps the club will too?? Yes losing sucks...but it sucks a lot more when there's something to play for. So for me this loss barely registered in the upset stakes. Only a few things need to happen over the next few weeks. Those players who need surgery and/or rest shouldn't play again. There were three of those playing last night.

Secondly, a senior assistant coach has to be found. If this is Blake Caracella so be it but I'm not convinced he has senior coaching aspirations. That individual should. I'm confident that process has begun. Lastly, play the likes of Graham, Temay, Watson, Johnson. Give them a taste..see how they handle it. It's not about 2014...it's about 2015. Be brave and daring...try something new.


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