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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:32 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
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Cameron & Scully would've made up for anything Murph gave us.


Maybe, but Synbad tells us week in week out that Murphs the reason we don't win and Daisy's tackles are different to everyone elses. Today they weren't, cost us the game.

Murph plays, Thomas does his job and we win.

Simple.

prove it....!!!

if u can prove that... u get an around the world trip... (thats so u put some effort into proving it)

Simple??

Then prove it...

Or youre talking shit again....

Why are you even replying to the brain dead!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:32 pm 
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Decision making is what it came down to. GWS have some if the highest draft picks in the last 3 years and it shows, there is a quality amongst top end draft picks that distinguishes themselves from the best and the middle end, which is what we have in carrazzo. Maclean and Robinson. Congilio killed us :(

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:32 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Remember this is an artificial competition we follow.
These clubs are created from thin air.. and conjured up artificailly.
They have no tradition or cultures.
If the AFL is serious about them succeeding they have to give them alot... maybe too much

BUT... we have had a good hand in recruitment also.. but we dont have anything coming through nor have we been recruiting talls or mids that are any good.

Rowe and Casboult would be struggling to get a job anywhere else in the comp
They definitely wouldnt be front liners......
Jamo isnt 100% and either is Hendo.. but just as with runners who can kick in the midfield who do u bring in?
Were at ground zero again... massive restructure and rebuild needed...that was our window with what WE were GIVEN by the AFL.. which was plenty...

dont complain...



This is true, we had our chance and blew it.

Time to take our medicine again.

What sucks is the delight everyone takes in seeing us fail.

You don't get that supporting the Roos or Dees.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:33 pm 
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Thomas in his 12 th game for the club was the one talking to the players.Yeah had a shit tackling game... but thats Murphy most weeks.
Its a Carlton disease...

Now... prove we would have won with the super tackler and finisher Murphy in the side.
simple....

I know what my eyes have told me over Murphys 8 years at the club.. he doesnt tackle anywhere near Thomas does.

Of course were talking over a career and not a game....

But how much do you want that ticket around the world Cimm?
How about $5000 in cash...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:34 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
we had 35 tackles ACROSS 22 players.
35 might be an AFL season low...


terrible stat but let's face it, 5 years of poor recruiting and player development will kill any side

it doesn't really matter how many tackles we lay when our disposal by hand and foot is so deplorable

turnovers destroyed our chances today and has been the case all year

we simply don't have the cattle

we can analyse and discuss all we want but ultimately it's all futile as we have no choice but to begin again


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:37 pm 
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Anyone posting that we had 35 tackles today is a liar.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:42 pm 
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Its the poor decision making that gets me.
Poor skills are one thing but bad decisions is another. The number of times there were 2 blues and 2 gws going for the ball and both our players went for the ball leaving their bloke loose was crazy.
Bad players maybe
Poorly coached absolutely
They looked lost confused and disinterested .This is coaching

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:42 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
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Cameron too Smart, too classy, too shrewd, too well prepared....

just too good, like Bolton and Leppitch - too smart and polished - nothing our Box could do.

Given you posted this twice, I hope you used TWO exception permits. No cheating now.....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:43 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Thomas in his 12 th game for the club was the one talking to the players.Yeah had a shit tackling game... but thats Murphy most weeks.
Its a Carlton disease...

Now... prove we would have won with the super tackler and finisher Murphy in the side.
simple....

I know what my eyes have told me over Murphys 8 years at the club.. he doesnt tackle anywhere near Thomas does.

Of course were talking over a career and not a game....

But how much do you want that ticket around the world Cimm?
How about $5000 in cash...


Lets talk about today Synbad.

Nobody can prove anything, but my eyes told me
the ball came out of the forwardline very easily. Eddie and Jeffy used to hold it in pretty well.
Thomas could not make a metre when chasing.
Thomas missed tackles.
We played very poorly.
Murphs 25+ possessions would have been worth a kick and a half.

Did I miss anything?

The work rate of the last month or so wasn't there. Why not.

That's not a talent issue.

you also mentioned a clean out of the coaching staff. Their Micks coaches surely. There's no reason he has to put up with donkeys, that's in his control.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:47 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Couldn't believe the stat I heard today that the giants, with their 17yo mini draft picks included, have 27 first round draft picks on their list. Twenty flowering seven. Out of 40. That is just ludicrous.
how will any side compete with that in 3 or 4 years? What were the afl thinking? Did they do their homework?


27 first round picks out of 40. Even if half were no good they'd still be a super side.

On top of that, that's also 27 first rounders denied to the bottom clubs who need hope.

WOW


And that is why I don't understand when so many people think we should massively cull our list? Get rid of who, and replace them with who? Can you imagine having 27 first round draft picks? They say the days of Carlton just opening up the checkbook are over, and they are, now the new "Carlton" is the AFL itself, who don't bother with checkbooks, they own the game. A new market in Greater Western Sydney to tap into, a predominantly rugby minded market, and what better way (tried & tested via Swans, Port, Brisbane and Eagles) to capture that market than a flag winning dynasty?
It worked for Brisbane didn't it? Now Brisbane have a somewhat diehard crowd behind them. And there's no doubt the AFL isn't trying to set up "THE DERBY" between Swans/GWS Brisbane/GCS in this latest round of lets royally screw over the game for a few years at the expense of the rest of the league whilst we establish new markets with our vast wealth and sporting clout.

We should have been WELL ahead on this. Why has it only now we are saying our recruiting needs to be seriously looked at? o.O

Did we as a club have any inkling that new teams would be given 27, twenty seven, first round draft picks and what that would do to the talent pool available to us at the time?

I'm seriously beginning to think its going to be a LOOOOOOONG time before we see September glory. I'd dare to wager GWS & GCS will see September glory before we do ...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:51 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Anyone posting that we had 35 tackles today is a liar.

dont go overboard verbsy... have another beer.
my footy info phone app had that after the game and then has refreshed. to 56.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:55 pm 
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The good thing is a) the current situation will facilitate far more change then ending up in 9th or 10th spot b) we getter better picks.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:55 pm 
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Thomas over commits to his tackling. He often runs himself out of the contest chasing a tackle that was never there. Head down tucked into his shoulder. He isn't that great. Today terrible. There are missed tackles and there are missed tackles.
Murphy takes the tagger. Today Simpson copped the tagger and was easily taken out of the game.

Micks structures are terrible. He is still back in 2010 trying to get the old swarm going. Doesn't realize teams long ago learned how to deal with it.
What we are left with is 10 blokes swarming towards the ball while the opposition holds it shape. Flips it over the top and we are left with no defense. It is terrible.
Our players run hard but the system they play doesn't allow them to succeed.

Mick was outcoached by a bloke who coached from ground level and barracked for his team. Not sure if he was eating lollies though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:56 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
verbs wrote:
Anyone posting that we had 35 tackles today is a liar.

dont go overboard verbsy... have another beer.
my footy info phone app had that after the game and then has refreshed. to 56.


Think. Then post.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:58 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Thomas in his 12 th game for the club was the one talking to the players.Yeah had a shit tackling game... but thats Murphy most weeks.
Its a Carlton disease...

Now... prove we would have won with the super tackler and finisher Murphy in the side.
simple....

I know what my eyes have told me over Murphys 8 years at the club.. he doesnt tackle anywhere near Thomas does.

Of course were talking over a career and not a game....

But how much do you want that ticket around the world Cimm?
How about $5000 in cash...


Lets talk about today Synbad.

Nobody can prove anything, but my eyes told me
the ball came out of the forwardline very easily. Eddie and Jeffy used to hold it in pretty well.
Thomas could not make a metre when chasing.
Thomas missed tackles.
We played very poorly.
Murphs 25+ possessions would have been worth a kick and a half.

Did I miss anything?

The work rate of the last month or so wasn't there. Why not.

That's not a talent issue.

you also mentioned a clean out of the coaching staff. Their Micks coaches surely. There's no reason he has to put up with donkeys, that's in his control.

srry.. thats too ludicrous to win $5000 for spinning shit.... its fanciful and something thats going on in your head.. when u were a kid did u make that cheering noises as you counted down the gameclock of the game you were playing out in your mind and snapped a winner on the siren to win the flag??.. and then gave a crowd cheer... ???

you did didnt you...???

now if you had of said Selwood or Hodge i would have no comeback... but you used a guy who has been criticised time and time again in the media for his defensive softness as your example...
a guy who by YOUR VERY OWN admission couldnt have been soft today because he didnt play....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:01 pm 
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Shane Mumford... 55 hitouts - 18 disposals - 9 tackles

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:04 pm 
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What has MM got to lose know surely he will give brock , carrots , warnock , white , Curnow the flick and play some of
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:07 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Cameron & Scully would've made up for anything Murph gave us.


Maybe, but Synbad tells us week in week out that Murphs the reason we don't win and Daisy's tackles are different to everyone elses. Today they weren't, cost us the game.

Murph plays, Thomas does his job and we win.

Simple.

prove it....!!!

if u can prove that... u get an around the world trip... (thats so u put some effort into proving it)

Simple??

Then prove it...

Or youre talking shit again....


There are tackles and there are tackles. :lol: :lol:

We should revisit your talking up of Thomas' leadership.

Well, today he had his chance, no Murphy, where was Dale?

He was easy to spot, chasing arse all day without making a metre, missing tackles 10m out from goal.


See Synbad, this is an easy game you play.

Not so much fun today when Thomas and Mick have no excuse.

Mick get's rid of Eddie to fit in Daisy and can't help Jeffy.

What's the result? NO FORWARDLINE PRESSURE. How easy is the ball coming out of the forward 50 without Eddie and Jeffy? I reckon even you could skip away from the back 50.

But it's not all bad. I'm pretty sure Mick had penciled in a loss today.


Probably phased out 'Finals' Laidler to free up some cash for his Daisy too.

Yep I am going to consider that fact from now on.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:09 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Shane Mumford... 55 hitouts - 18 disposals - 9 tackles


And he is in $750 K pa

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:10 pm 
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Since when has work rate not been a talent issue, or did I miss something?

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