R13: Carlton v Hawthorn (Post match discussion)

Michael Jezz · **Joined:** Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:52 pm **Posts:** 2044

Warnock looks injured to me. Can not jump.
I can take tonight. There are some green shoots hopefully we are only a few drafts away from winning a game like this.
Jamison plays tonight the game is a toss up

showbag · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 2662

Pro: Watson wasn't exploited for his lack of pace or mobility
Con: He was still a horror show.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14986

Just home from the game. Not too disappointed, thought we had a crack but turn overs killed us.
I would have subbed Watson at the 10 minute mark of the first quarter.
How good is Judd?
Effort was there and if we have that for the rest of the season we will win a few more games.

Warby · **Posted:** Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:47 pm

Until 3/4 time we were still a chance; but their commitment and class were too much at the end.

CK95 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:02 am

I thought Watson fought back pretty well during the middle stages of the game after a terrible start.

Disappointed in the last qtr, thought we played too loose & made some stupid mistakes...Simmo going for a run at half back & getting caught, Carrazzo's shocking handball in the centre etc.

Pleased with Robbo's effort up forward, & another good game from GIBBS.

We're just one of those teams that has to absolutely throw the kitchen sink at the top sides to come away with a competitive loss...sums up where we are at.

CK95 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:03 am

Anyway, I'm off to the Essendon* thread

Blue Sombrero · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:04 am

fmurphy30 wrote:

The effort was pretty good. Our bottom six (or eight) are not AFL standard. We were beaten by a team that was better across the board.

Special mentions for Juddy (he is almost underrated now - callers forget how good he is), Murph tried hard, Gibbs was good, Everitt, Casboult has improved immensely, Thomas in bursts and Rowe was wholehearted.

Warnock destroyed by a spud again. Hit outs to advantage were 10-1 against at one stage.

Just got back from the airport and turned on the replay.
So far have seen five minutes.

Opening bounce, Warnock hitout straight to Hawks player for a clearance.
First stoppage inside Hawks F50, Warnock hits straight to Hawks player for a clearance except for a Judd tackle.

I am almost too scared to watch the rest after that and then reading your comments about stoppages...

Cyclonus · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:04 am

Only listened on the radio, but I've never heard commentators as shocked about a player's game as they were about Watson. They seemed genuinely and honestly staggered that someone so substandard was playing at AFL level, and called for him to be subbed at 1/4 time in everyone's best interests. And from what I've read from Blues and neutral posters, they weren't far wrong

To be that far off the pace in your fourth season is just a terrible sign. Wonder if that was his last game.

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4627

We gave away easy goals with shocking turnovers....they didn't . It cost us both on the scoreboard and in terms of effort which is why we ran out of puff towards the end.

camel · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:05 am

CK95 wrote:

Anyway, I'm off to the Essendon** thread

In the unlikely event that gets boribg you can now have a vote on tonight's game...

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DesEnglish · **Joined:** Fri May 18, 2007 2:10 pm **Posts:** 2866

Every time I watch Hawthorn I think back to that draft. Pagan set us up for one of the most savage @r$e flowerings ever seen. The 2003 draft/trade defines Carlton today

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:07 am

Cyclonus wrote:

Only listened on the radio, but I've never heard commentators as shocked about a player's game as they were about Watson. They seemed genuinely and honestly staggered that someone so substandard was playing at AFL level, and called for him to be subbed at 1/4 time in everyone's best interests. And from what I've read from Blues and neutral posters, they weren't far wrong

To be that far off the pace in your fourth season is just a terrible sign. Wonder if that was his last game.

He was much better after quarter time but then he missed a goal, which people won't forget.

Every chance he'll play again next week.

4thchicken · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 3136

Effes wrote:

Cameo from Casboult - does he have the motor to contribute all match? Kicking was effective tonight

Hopefully that was his breakout game.

On fitness, its been said a few times that he is the fittest big man at the club - I suspect he would look a lot better/contribute more if he was played purely as a key forward.

AGRO · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:21 am

Dodo27 wrote:

I feel sorry for Watson.... He might have played his Last game for the Club. For such a booming kick, It's frustrating to see him not develop into a good player. Sad & disappointing

He's in for his kicking but couldn't hit a target from 15 metres away in the first quarter that cost a goal, and should have nailed his shot for goal from 30 metres in the third quarter that would have put us 3 goals in front.

If only his target was someone's back pocket from 60 metres away. :roll:

kkk · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:25 am

The last 2 minutes sum up our problems.

We made 3 handballs and all of them fell short, turning into half-volleys.

This was just after Carazzo handballed over his teammates head resulting in a Hawthorn goal.

We don't kick the ball well but our handballing is incompetent.

AGRO · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:25 am

Michael Jezz wrote:

Warnock looks injured to me. Can not jump.
I can take tonight. There are some green shoots hopefully we are only a few drafts away from winning a game like this.
Jamison plays tonight the game is a toss up

Lucky we didn't screw up the 2009, 2010, 2011 & 2012 Drafts then. :roll:

AGRO · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:28 am

kkk wrote:

The last 2 minutes sum up our problems.

We made 3 handballs and all of them fell short, turning into half-volleys.

This was just after Carazzo handballed over his teammates head resulting in a Hawthorn goal.

We don't kick the ball well but our handballing is incompetent.

Yes they were all shoelace specials.

That sums up our entire night, we torched any chance we had by poor disposal by hand and foot at crucial times.

Heavs · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:46 am

Just beaten in the end by the dominant ruck in the comp in Ceglar

Curtley Ambrose · **Posted:** Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:32 am

missnaut wrote:

Watson's shank at goal was the momentum killer.
Don't get me wrong, we'd have lost anyway. But that really deflated the team.

Agree. Momentum swung from that moment and the game was done.

chelodina · **Joined:** Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:43 pm **Posts:** 1323

8 points up in 3rd quarter, all momentum, Murphy streaming into the 50, could have run to 30, kicks to Watson... Watson misses. Hawthorn go on and kick the next 5 goals...

Might be harsh, but a captain kicks those goals.

He had a shocker last night

R13: Carlton v Hawthorn (Post match discussion)

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