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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:43 am 
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we will win this

we are only going to lose 2 more games for the year



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:44 am 
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I just want to see somebody smash the other "good bloke" when he invariably throws his weight around fairly of course during the contest. :roll:

As we are repeatedly told these things happen on the field, 2 players going for the hard ball, 50/50 contested possession etc etc........however it's always our mellow players left on the floor.

Lind in the sand rah rah!!!!!!!



I even think Blues fans would forgive Waite if he got a month for smashing that prick.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:22 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:15 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
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... playing watson would immediately be playing 21 against their 22.

People fall in love with his kick, but there's no point having a great left foot while you move like a 78 year old arthritee with a prosthetic hip. Forward or back make's no difference, he just gets exposed by AFL level competition. Hawthorn would kill him.


I am certainly not in love with his kicking or his ability for that matter. My point is that we will not make finals this year so we should be doing our best to fully assess our list and see if there is any bits of "Gold" that we can hang on to. What else do we do? Play Waite? How many chances do we give him?

Look at the success of Rowe & Buckley this year. Both were effectively gone last year but a change in position and a bit of faith has made a huge difference.

We lack quality talls so we might as well give him one last try. If he still struggles then atleast we have given every possible chance. Letting him sit in the NB's achieves nothing especially given the lack of talent currently on our list.

The same could be said for Lucas. Play him off HB for the year and just see what he can do. He's on our list and we are paying him. He was an early pick. Say to the kid you will get 6 games in a row to prove yourself. It's now up to you.

At the end of the year we will probably turn over a minimum 10 players. The more we can see them at AFL level the better assessment we can make of them. You just never know. :wink:


No, you see we do know. watson's limitations are physical ones. He's suddenly not going to gain a rapid 10-15 metre burst of pace or the required agility he needs to defend at an AFL level. He is too slow and cumbersome, and lacking strength for a one-on-one contest. Now he could add strength, no question, but the other attributes are not coachable ones which can be instilled. We've seen enough, move on. Watching him lumber around our back 50, being run up to the logos and then turned inside out by his man to relaese back inside his attacking 50 for free, easy possession and goals was killing us.

Lucas is a different story. He has all the physical tools to make the grade. His problem is above his shoulders. He lacks courage for the contest, both to get his nose dirty with the ball, and to lay a tackle. He avoids contact. I'm not sure what he trains like, but so far at AFL level, he's a passenger and he lets the team down.

Like Synners said, if Lucas went back to the magoos and bled every round for a 5 to 6 weeks (consecuative period) for the jersey and proved he had the willingness to play hard and play for his team, he'd be in our best 22.

This is why Buckley, Rowe and Casboult have come on. They have the minimum physical tools required to make the grade (and in Buck's case) to be good, but they also have the want. Lucas lacks the want, watson lacks the physical tools.

Lucas, I guess, could find his want, but the problem for him is; it's a very measurable, quantifiable attribute. And if he can't display it in the reggies -- which he doesn't, and hasn't -- he doesn't deserve a first grade jumper.

Lucas needs to prove he can make the sacrifice, and not for a week, but a sustained period then sure ... give him a go.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:31 pm 
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Braithy, your probably right, but the rules state that we can't change our list until the end of the year.

Might as well try everybody to get an assessment of where we sit. If he isn't picked in the next few weeks it's fair to assume his papers have been stamped.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:34 pm 
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From the little I know of MM, I'm not sure he'll tinker with list experimentation until we mathematically are dead from finals ... So maybe the last 3 or 4 rounds we might see him dust off watson.

At that point I wouldn't care too much, Watson can stain our famous jumper one more time. lol


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:48 pm 
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..i'm not entirely sure watto is any slower or less agile than Rowe.. ..with a good system and real team work there is a spot for watto, it's just you can't have too many lumbering types, especially at the same end of the ground.. ....if he had elite endurance maybe a running roaming role which was his gig in juniors, but at afl level he'd need a tank bigger than his head.. ..at any rate, I would hold onto him a little longer..

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My prediction for this gane is we will be 16 points up with 10 minutes to go and lose by 5 to 7 points
Dont know why I feel this way but its just a gut feeling I have

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Sydney Blue wrote:
My prediction for this gane is we will be 16 points up with 10 minutes to go and lose by 5 to 7 points
Dont know why I feel this way but its just a gut feeling I have


That'd be a superb result.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:16 pm 
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..i'm not entirely sure watto is any slower or less agile than Rowe.. ..with a good system and real team work there is a spot for watto, it's just you can't have too many lumbering types, especially at the same end of the ground.. ....if he had elite endurance maybe a running roaming role which was his gig in juniors, but at afl level he'd need a tank bigger than his head.. ..at any rate, I would hold onto him a little longer..


What happened to the Watto that played pretty good footy for a month last year before his injury ? He was holding up well down back on the third tall and was quite good under pressure - dishing out well in the clinches, and hitting targets regularly with his 50-60 metre kicks. Seems he's reverted to the old Watto, with all his limitations. It was certainly good to have someone down back capable of hitting targets down the ground......unlike a lot of the crap you get from Walker, Thouhy or Waite :yikes:

It's now time to give Graham a decent crack, and not as the sub or dropping him after one poor game. Brock has been found wanting recently, so the perfect swap for Graham.

Out: Brock
In: Graham

Warning notices issued to Jeffy (one more squibbed mark and you're out) and Zac. One more week in the magoos for the Great Man....but if they do pick him then Carrots makes way.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:50 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..i'm not entirely sure watto is any slower or less agile than Rowe.. ..with a good system and real team work there is a spot for watto, it's just you can't have too many lumbering types, especially at the same end of the ground.. ....if he had elite endurance maybe a running roaming role which was his gig in juniors, but at afl level he'd need a tank bigger than his head.. ..at any rate, I would hold onto him a little longer..



I haven't been to any training this year, but I'd suspect Rowe would be a fair bit quicker over 10m, 15m and 20m than Watson.

Just the old eye test, but I think Rowe is fairly agile, and some of his jumping work to spoil isn't bad. Even in watson's purple patch last year, it was more to do with his reading of the play and interception work, than it was his body-on-body or ability to get to a contest.

At this point from the bits of the ants i've seen and been told about Mcinnes is probably a better 3rd tall prospect than watson.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:52 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..i'm not entirely sure watto is any slower or less agile than Rowe.. ..with a good system and real team work there is a spot for watto, it's just you can't have too many lumbering types, especially at the same end of the ground.. ....if he had elite endurance maybe a running roaming role which was his gig in juniors, but at afl level he'd need a tank bigger than his head.. ..at any rate, I would hold onto him a little longer..


What happened to the Watto that played pretty good footy for a month last year before his injury ? He was holding up well down back on the third tall and was quite good under pressure - dishing out well in the clinches, and hitting targets regularly with his 50-60 metre kicks. Seems he's reverted to the old Watto, with all his limitations. It was certainly good to have someone down back capable of hitting targets down the ground......unlike a lot of the crap you get from Walker, Thouhy or Waite :yikes:

It's now time to give Graham a decent crack, and not as the sub or dropping him after one poor game. Brock has been found wanting recently, so the perfect swap for Graham.

Out: Brock
In: Graham

Warning notices issued to Jeffy (one more squibbed mark and you're out) and Zac. One more week in the magoos for the Great Man....but if they do pick him then Carrots makes way.


Lets not beat around the bush, Watto and Garlett would both sleep with the light on, it appears their confidence in playing at this level is shot to pieces, not sure we can carry one bloke who has a couple of dashes down the wing each match and then squibs any contact in close and another who is slow and timid, has no aggression, is afraid of body contact, anyway I'm sure they both have great contracts in place and will be Bullants regulars for years to come.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:40 pm 
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..watto played round one, then broke a thumb?, or finger or something that sent him back to reissues, opening the door for Rowe.. ..rowe has plenty of experience, even if a state league.. ..rowe is getting better, and he is one that gives his all.. ..I think it is either Rowe or wattto at this stage, watto I don't mind giving more time.. ....I think he could be a player, Wold like him to get some serious running ability into is game..

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:33 pm 
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choo wrote:
Docherty and Jammo may miss with Calf injuries


Same source who said Buckley & Hendo would definitely miss vs Brisbane?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:14 pm 
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Y'know... we're still ONLY 3 games out of the 8. No-one is making any progress this season...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:14 pm 
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watson is a big spud and shouldnt play


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:32 pm 
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Garlett and I reckon Lucas might be tradeable at year end, not so Watson. I honestly reckon say a Bulldogs (Lucas) or Eagles (Garlett) could use them.

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Who cares what you and Garlett reckon?

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moshe25 wrote:
Who cares what you and Garlett reckon?


:lol: :thumbsup:

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