captain but not really a captains asshole.

u obviously dont work in a field where u have identify leadership.. do u?

ok tell me
when is the last time judd backed into a pack
or took a scragger off murphy
or stood up for a team mate

he might be a good player but sacrificial acts are not juddy

he cant even kick

kenny hunter coudnt kick by todays standards but he would always make suree hes important shots at goal went through

juddy .. if someone is scragging a team mate.. he wouldnt interfere.. if they scragged him he would go the pressure point

thats not a leader

though he led them to salads

but not to working on their kicking

trust me... you have no idea what youre talking about....

even judd wouldnt agree with u

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I try to never confuse ability or talent with natural leadership.... (sometimes they come together but its rare)

Who was a better leader Bruce Doull or Mike Fitzpatrick?

We all know who the better footballer is - perhaps the best to have ever played for the blues. (and Doull led in different ways on and off the field - but you can see the point)

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It's a paradox.

If Murphy was a leader he'd recognise that it's not working out and step down.

But if he could make that call it'd be the first real bit of leadership we've seen from him and suggest it might be worth persisting with him for a while longer.

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....excellent point

but as we all know, that would take honesty

(hasn't been a strong point with our players and our club for some time now)

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Just listed to our fearless leader's reaction to last night. Stock standard steady as she goes no dramas we will be right this week. FFS! No wonder there is no leadership on the field.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Yep, this is their attitude. There is always next week. Tell me something WHY the flowering flower were you not ready and pumped come start of season? Or the very least against our hated enemies in Richmond and the Scum.

So now they expect us to believe they are coming out breathing fire Against Melbourne. Give us a break!

I bet we won't win. Then what will be the excuse hey?

keep digging a hole for yourself

love how you only refer to him as a good player, he is in fact an all time great, even Kenny Hunter says so

he was identified twice as captain at two different clubs, so obviously he wasn't considered leadership material

how many games has he won off his own boot in clutch moments and willed teams over the line, you've forgotten about last year's Elimination final

hallmark of a leader I would have thought

keep rewriting history and your own warped view of the world, that's right you think Gibbs is our best midfielder

and by the way did you know he is also a premiership captain

I thought the chief made some good points on "on the couch" tonight.
Lack leadership. Pointed at the incident where Goddard was pushing around young Buckley after he was out marked with little retribution from our players. Expected at least two senior players to get in goddards face and protect the young. Jamo just gave him a little shove.
Another incident was when ashby, a first gamer for the bummers, got in the face of our captain, with little retribution. A FIRST GAMER did that to our captain, and he lets it fly. Would selwood allow that? Hodge?
Heart, leadership, mongrel, aggression all lacking at the club. On and off field.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

You make some very poor and ill informed points that don't help your argument

Judd was a premiership captain, because COUSINS fell over with his problems - remember?

And you think we won last years elimination final because Judd flicked a switch in the second half??

What do you expect Kenny Hunter to say in public?

I find it very difficult to rank Judd in my top 15 all time great carlton players.

That doesn't mean he isn't a great player, because he is, and we as a club have been blessed with some of the greatest players the game has seen...

Speaking of Kenny HUnter, I would rank him higher than Judd as a player. fearless and provided me with far more joy at carlton games. So did Peter Dean by the way.....

Judd reminds me of Ivan Lendel - fantastic tennis player, but most people would choose, Borg, McEnroe, Edberg, Sampras to play for their lives (as long as its not on Clay in the French open)

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...although to be fair to Lendl it's very much a subjective assessment as to who your favorite is

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Agreed. He generalised but pretty much nailed it with our issues.

The Buckley incident was my tipping point. Could not believe the lack of support. Had to go for a walk and didn't see the rest of the game.

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i know he was a captain of a premiership on paper....
but i also know the players considered cousins their leader

the only holes i dig are the ones to put others in... for instance you.......

ive heard it all before ... people like u WOW.. telling me im wrong... usually people find out its they who are wrong

tell me.. why did judd step down as captain at carlton???

he hated meetings right???

he just didnt wanna attend meetings anymore.......somebody else should go to meetings.. not him.
identified as captain to keep him at wc.. and identified as captain for us....

oh wow!!!!.. excellent point WOW.. u do realise im not disputing he wasnt captain at Carlton or WC.. but im making the point he wouldnt have been captain at Geelong or Collingwood or Swans etc...
just us... and WC in an attempt to keep him there.... the players didnt see him as their spiritual captain there ....
there is very little about Juddy that screams captain...
cmpare him to say a warrior like Hodge.

and as for Bryce .. im on record saying i hope he goes elsewhere for his own sake...there is nothing for him to do at Carlton...im sure youll see the player he should have been.

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buckley looks like he is starting to dance to 'thriller'....

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Our leader is called Henry and he's a...

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What is your latest on Warnock?

are you for real, you make no sense

I loved him as a player but to say that Kenny Hunter was a greater player than Chris Judd is bordering on delusional, particular considering what Judd produced in the years 2004-06 and 2008-11

your tennis analogy is bizarre

anyway, my original point was that Judd has been a great leader over his career (including Carlton) and to my mind is the only true leader we have had since he got to the club

you do remember that he had to 'sacrifice' his outside game and become the bullocking midfielder, who got the 'hard' ball out to our outside runners, so he has had no easy ride since he has been at Carlton

in my lifetime I can't recall a premiership captain not considered a leader, there is no logic to that thinking

and Judd has produced numerous times in key moments to help both West Coast and Carlton win games (that's a fact), particularly in finals

I need to keep reminding myself that everyone is entitled to their opinion so I'll leave it at that

Havent really noticed it in Menzel as yet but certainly agree with Buckley - Wont take a backward step against the opposition, and from all reports is willing to do what it takes to get the best out of himself

wow... whats rigth with what u said is everybody is entitled to their opinion
whats wrong about what you said is your points.

theyre all wrong

clearly u have no idea what leadership is

you can be captain but it doesnt mean your providing great leadership

judd would tell you himself hes not a great leader.. he didnt want it.. doesnt want it.. that should tell u something about judd the leader......

he would also tell u .... cousins was their leader even if he was the captain.

he wouldnt be shy in coming forward to tell u that

everybody knew it...

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give me a break, I love how you make things up as you continue to write

how the hell would you know whether he would not have been captain at Geelong or Collingwood or Swans

yeh right, West Coast just made him captain so he would remain there, you obviously don't think much of West Coast

and Gibbs has nothing to do at Carlton, what does than mean, he is a professional footballer for goodness sake

so what if Judd stepped down? what's your point? simply time for someone else to be captain. Just like Riewoldt was thinking of doing this year, Harvey did it at North and there have been many other examples.

and you know what, I will compare Judd to Hodge and for me they are both great leaders and players. The only significant difference is that Hodge plays at a better run club surrounded by better players.

and try putting me in a hole and see where that gets you

WOW just to finish this once anfd for all... because i know u have no idea what youre talking about

Define leadership for us and then show us where Judd fits in....

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