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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:53 am 
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I agree, it would be great to play Gibbs in the middle and leave him there. It is an issue, I think, that he gets moved around a lot.

But:

- He's one of the few on our list who is versatile enough to play numerous roles well
- It's sign of other issues not of Gibbs' making that he's is required to fill holes
- He probably doesn't run hard enough at times, he's hardly alone there
- That said, on his current output we could probably make do without him, especially if we could attract a better replacement*






































*As if that would ever happen. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:03 pm 
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Gibbs just wants what everybody wants.
The fact is ... its not obvious where this club is heading.
And its probably rubbing off on the team....

There is something fundamentally wrong with this club.
Its smells of hospice.. shit n piss... liver and renal failure....

Im sure the players feel it...

Look at the membership... its obvious to all...

With each week that passes...its more and more apparent.. this club is nothing special.

Talk to young Carlton supporters... not to the few but the many...

Theyre finding different things to do.

Doc reckons its about performances on the park
I reckon those performances cant be great because off the park were crap.

The well run clubs are mostly performing well on the park..

its how it is.. its how its always been.. its how it will be till eternity

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:05 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
That said, on his current output we could probably make do without him, especially if we could attract a better replacement


I find this intriguing. Are you meaning his output based on last night's game?

He was considered by many one of our best in the Richmond final last year, and this page http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-03-16/blues-fade-at-etihad is only last week. Note the best players.

If he continues to play like he did last night, then fair enough, but I haven't seen him play like that for ages.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:20 pm 
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..gibbs just doesn't have the required hustle.. ..hf and part mid, he can play middle but doesn't have the intensity to be a prime mid, never has.. ..and bit too much of is old man's "no getting the knees dirty" kind of style, in that old school hf manner.. ..I still like him, but not at the reported asking price.. ..not one to go to war with, so in my mind is more cream than cake.. ..we really need more cake..

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:30 pm 
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I agree - I think people are overreacting to one bad game.


If he thinks he has market value,
then asking what the clubs plans are is fair enough.

But if he doesn't like the blueprint,
there's nobody to complain to, because his Uncle Sticks drafted the inept plan.

So he can either suck it up and stay, and try and lift the team,
and hope that the board/administration sorts itself out quickly enough to give him a shot at a premiership,
Or
he can go back to Glenelg.

Not much more to it.
We all know Sticks will pony up the cash if Bryce asks for it.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:34 pm 
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verbs wrote:
camelboy wrote:
That said, on his current output we could probably make do without him, especially if we could attract a better replacement


I find this intriguing. Are you meaning his output based on last night's game?

He was considered by many one of our best in the Richmond final last year, and this page http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-03-16/blues-fade-at-etihad is only last week. Note the best players.

If he continues to play like he did last night, then fair enough, but I haven't seen him play like that for ages.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:58 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..gibbs just doesn't have the required hustle.. ..hf and part mid, he can play middle but doesn't have the intensity to be a prime mid, never has.. ..and bit too much of is old man's "no getting the knees dirty" kind of style, in that old school hf manner.. ..I still like him, but not at the reported asking price.. ..not one to go to war with, so in my mind is more cream than cake.. ..we really need more cake..


Nailed it.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:08 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..gibbs just doesn't have the required hustle.. ..hf and part mid, he can play middle but doesn't have the intensity to be a prime mid, never has.. ..and bit too much of is old man's "no getting the knees dirty" kind of style, in that old school hf manner.. ..I still like him, but not at the reported asking price.. ..not one to go to war with, so in my mind is more cream than cake.. ..we really need more cake..


BKB, I can't help but think this relates to an initial expectation on the type of player Gibbs is.
we've always had silky skills type players, who can be made to do grunt work, but really shine when allowed space for their artistry.
I'm thinking of Hoops as an example. Gibbs for mine is more consistent than Hoops.
I know their is some merit to the 'he should work harder', but just as Roosy found some down and out players at Melbourne, I do not blame Bryce for some less than ideal team ethics and development.
He does so much for our team, I honestly can't understand the negs, except that some folks might want a player that Gibbs simply is not.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:08 pm 
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Can you believe that all of our number one picks have yet to reach their full potential? A bit harsh on Murph but he can be better.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:19 pm 
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Can you believe that all of our number one picks have yet to reach their full potential? A bit harsh on Murph but he can be better.


The more I see Murph, the more i think he'd be better of not being Capitano.
Albeit, he also has some ish shews with his back atm.
I'm not sure he's someone who thrives on the responsibility yet.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:26 pm 
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TheSwan wrote:
Can you believe that all of our number one picks have yet to reach their full potential? A bit harsh on Murph but he can be better.



Culture and player development is the issue here, I wonder how well Joel Selwood would be regarded right now after 8 seasons in a Carlton jumper. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:30 pm 
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verbs wrote:
camelboy wrote:
That said, on his current output we could probably make do without him, especially if we could attract a better replacement


I find this intriguing. Are you meaning his output based on last night's game?

He was considered by many one of our best in the Richmond final last year, and this page http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-03-16/blues-fade-at-etihad is only last week. Note the best players.

If he continues to play like he did last night, then fair enough, but I haven't seen him play like that for ages.


I agree he's a good player.

I'm just losing faith that he's going to become one of the competition's true elite. If he decides to go home, good luck to him, it will hurt and I won't like it, but the system is now in place that should enable us to recruit a ready made replacement via free agency or at worst a very handy compensation draft pick.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:41 pm 
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One shit game.
I'm prepared to let him try to make amends before I want him shot at dawn.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:02 pm 
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He's got fantastic skills and this is the issue, the unfulfilled talent, all we see is the occasional cameo. The first time I saw him when at a game (as against on tv) I was horrified by his lack of work ethic when not directly involved in the play. Mentally or physically lazy? I don't know. But where do we play him? He's not a defender, and in my opinion you don't play your most talented players down back anyway. Hasn't the intensity to play as a midfielder, not an in and under player. Play him forward with time on the ball as an outside player?

Has to be make or break this year, where does he want to play? Such a talent, I have nightmares about him going to a top side and becoming a superstar, but something has to change. I had hoped MM would be the man to whip him into line.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:11 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
I had a broken foot a yearago now.
Still hurts if I lie on my belly at night.
Who knows what jabs he's had, to play with a broken hand.
Look you can argue he's soft and lazy or whatever, but I think he has sublime skills and is a highly valued asset to our team.
A team that just does not have enough elite players.
Let's wait until these underdone players that had surgeries, and injured players like Gibbs, have time to heal.


Mmm not sure about this bg. If not fit then he shouldn't be playing. I am not sure if he's 'carrying a hand injury' makes you incapable of breaking a tag from an average player. A player of gibbs experience should be able to.

I agree he has good skills and I'd suggest his output last nite was more the exception than then the rule, so I'll back him to make amends soon.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:33 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..gibbs just doesn't have the required hustle.. ..hf and part mid, he can play middle but doesn't have the intensity to be a prime mid, never has.. ..and bit too much of is old man's "no getting the knees dirty" kind of style, in that old school hf manner.. ..I still like him, but not at the reported asking price.. ..not one to go to war with, so in my mind is more cream than cake.. ..we really need more cake..


BKB, I can't help but think this relates to an initial expectation on the type of player Gibbs is.
we've always had silky skills type players, who can be made to do grunt work, but really shine when allowed space for their artistry.
I'm thinking of Hoops as an example. Gibbs for mine is more consistent than Hoops.
I know their is some merit to the 'he should work harder', but just as Roosy found some down and out players at Melbourne, I do not blame Bryce for some less than ideal team ethics and development.
He does so much for our team, I honestly can't understand the negs, except that some folks might want a player that Gibbs simply is not.



..hear what yer saying, and yes and no on your hoops comparison.. ..yes, Gibbs is a better player.. .no, not as consistent with the silky skills.. ..that guy could the ball beautifully.. ..always reliable for goal, in play and set shot...and such a good pass, very reliable kick of the ball..

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:24 am 
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For me, I think we should let him go and take the pick or sign him then trade him. Gibbs is soft, to be blunt.
He never goes when it's his turn to go, he shirks packs and marking contests and stands around while blokes like simmo and even buckley, who are considerably smaller, put their nuts on the line for the navy jumper. Yes his skills can be great but that's not enough in today's game.
I would not play Bryce as a mid. Too unaccountable and whilst some players can get away with that, he's not good enough. Add to that his unwillingness to throw his body in when the game is on the line and it won't work.
Play him as a perma forward and see if he can create or kick 2 or 3 goals a game where he doesn't have to be as accountable. And where his kicking skills are badly needed.

Just my $0.02 but I'd be letting him go

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:46 am 
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Before Gibbs was drafted Cazzesman said Something like he does everything very well but nothing exceptionally. While it was meant as a compliment at the time, it really sums up his career.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:37 am 
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Doesn't have the physical attributes to be elite

With his leg speed and engine he needs to be munch bigger physically to dominate regularly


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:40 am 
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People just need to realise he is and will remain a very good AFL player but lacks the attributes to become elite


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