Cretylus wrote:
AGRO wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Director of Coaching and Development - the most critical role at the club
previous Experience in the role?
Disagree with this one. Few more worrying roles held at the club before I get to Wiley.

Guy in back row on the right touted as one of the best match day tacticians in the AFL, little evidence of that last night.
Depends on whether Mick was listening to any suggestions Laidley was making (if any)
If you recall, in the 2011 grand final Mick sat in the box like a stunned mullet with Didak on Scarlett all day and crucifying Reid on Hawkins....Geelong couldn't believe their luck in the second half.
People must understand if you lay blame solely on the President, for the clubs condition, then you must also lay blame on Wiley for the performance of the coaches and the quality of our development. You must also lay blame on MM for what the players dish up when they run out to play.
As we all know, its not as simple as that.
I tend to look at the players who run out onto the ground - their leadership, their mental toughness, their pride in performing to their highest abilities, their devotion to team goals.,... etc.. etc
Now the club cultures extends past the playing group dynamics - but if the playing group is dysfunctional, no other club strength can compensate for this short fall.
Recruit the right players first - character, mental strength, motivation, etc.,, comes first - just like Geelong and the Swans do it.
Selwood and McVeigh eat footballs for breakfast, Murph likes wearing suits, (and I am a fan of Murphy)
Ridiculous!!!
You blame the president and board for the appointment of the CEO and in conjunction with the board for appointments of the coach.. and every other position....
Thats how it works.. you dont blame Wiley because he cant coach... he never hired himself. Neither did Malthouse.. and actually the other piece of that puzzle is McKay.
One thing i find fascinating Cretylus is the sheer refusal to blame anyone Carlton for the state of the Carlton footy club... its always someone else who we blame for us.
Our problems begin with the people at Carlton who dont have the answers and fixatedly found Collingwood people to fix them.
This is what people so stupidly sidestep.
Sticks is president of our board of directors.. and as a board of directors they are charged to direct this footy club.
The rest is idiotic!!!...
Originally they empowered a pretty stupid coach with hardly any experience to coach because Brown said "Ratts can coach this team with his eyes closed". Thats when they should have appointed better.. then they panicked and had no time to find another rookie coach... or take a chance.. the clock was ticking and they had already wasted FIVE YEARS.
So they brought in a premiership coach... the problem is they have not invested any more money (because they dont have it ) on other coaches.
He wanted OBree.. we didnt pay him enough
He wanted Ling... we didnt pay him enough too...
He wanted McLeod.. McLeod didnt believe the money warranted him moving here.
The Director of coaching isnt Malthouses doing.. we also had part time coaches who were teaches in charge of our VFL kids the year before.
Its about structures.. the pyramid.. were trying to make it stand up with the single top block.Its all over the club... ive been in a situation were ive seen the club closer up than most people.. as have you.
Seeing our club close up.. talking to coaches and presidents over the last 12 years has been scary.
In fact i think Denis has been one of the most intelligent ones.. certainly more so than speaking to Ratts who was straight up meat and potatos.. you were there and you were shocked as well.
Smorgon didnt understand footy and had a tight arsed approach to this club that was about evolving through AFL hand outs.
Sticks is plain old dumb also.Hes the guy you find in the pub
Collo was by far the more intelligent and worldly than them all but he was dull... though he was also funny if you knew him personally.
The board members? They have been a bunch of self serving individuals with little backbone all wanting to be part of the club but offering very little.
Ive met a few over the years.. some would even approach me on opinions..
The closer i got to the club the more i realised were [REDACTED] and i was much better off never having gone anywhere near it .. and just sticking to game day .
Knowing who is running our football club from close up over the last decade has depressed me. When i meet most .. not just coaches or board members or presidents .. i like to ask them questions to get some feedback on their philosophies. ...
Very few had a philosophy... Denis did....Sticks didnt... Ratts didnt...
You saw the depth of Ratten yourself as did the Princes Park Whistler... he was in charge of our team for 5 years... and its not like he didnt wanna answer questions..he was enjoying the questions.. we just cringed at the answers....
He was obsessed with defenders (not defence)...Fevola and statistics.
His judgement on the players who he believed would be All Australians are no longer at the club.
He rattled of statistic after statistic off the top of his head.
Ive had 3 very scary moments over the years.
1)Talking to Marcus Rose
2) Ratts
3) Knowing Sticks is president
There are others too.. but if Carlton was a Black forest cake i was eating.. these three things are the sour cherries on my cake.
Now thats not to say that esteemed people from other clubs have not said bizarro stuff to me.... they have...
and thats why i think footy clubs are dumb and you can easily improve a club if you raised professionalism and cut out the mates and the boys