Yeah, but he had two good legs, so what else would you expect?

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ok - missed that 4 game winning streak in 2009.

You need to go back to 2001 (Wayne Brittain) to see a 4 win winning streak. In fact we did it twice in 2001.

So in 12 seasons since then, we have managed one 4 game winning streak (2009) and no 5 or more winning streaks.

Interesting to note that in 2000 we had a 13 winning game streak under Brittain (the last time we won more than 5 games in a row). Primarily due to Kouta deciding to play like superman for a few months

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It can only be a streak if there was a DVD. Was there a DVD?

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They wont
haven't got the cattle
Other teams that finished below us in 2013 will pass us by. WC, Adelaide, Bulldogs, Gold Coast,North
We don't have any super stars on our list
We have too many scrubbers
Our onball department lacks depth and skill
What I saw on display last Friday was ordinary
You can say it was only a practice game but times change and this isn't the 80s when Carlton couldn't give a shit about praccie games
Sunday night will tell a lot
Port are a hard running team
We will have to work hard to keep them in check
From what I saw last Friday we will struggle

I wouldn't be making too much of a joke of it - because the way we have been travelling over the past 12 years a 5 wins in a row DVD will be a best seller.




Might even buy a copy myself.

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Makes you wonder how Brittain and the boys managed a 13 win streak in 2000 (Kouta or no Kouta)

then our first wooden spoon in 2002

it certainly can go pear shaped very quickly

In our case we haven't really recovered with only two finals wins. One against the bombers who were falling apart at the end of seasons for some unknown reason

and one win against the tigers who shit themselves in the second half last year and hadn't played in finals for over a decade

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I dig that Judd & Murphy lose absolutely nothing to Kreuzer in terms of onfield leadership. Which appeared to be the claim you were making.

..the claim was first made by doc, in that judd and murphy [and others] always went when it was their turn.. ..and i said i didn't think they did.. ..i later said that krooz is one of a few on our list that does go every time it's his turn.. ..judd and murphy are better individual players, but i think neither is as selfless a team player as krooz.. ..judd and murphy for a long time were known as attacking players, but also known for not putting in the hard two-way running.. ..judd at his peak with us was a machine as a player, unstoppable in some games.. ..but he was an average captain.. ..we've been bullied by teams for years [and still do even now at times], neither past nor present captain did anything to address it, and it's not likely to be addressed by them any time soon, is it..?.. ..you just seem to set leadership alongside playing ability, and there's much more to it.. ..they lead by example, it's just sometimes their example isn't what it need/s to be..

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We are a team of softies, that's why we stagnate and go nowhere near the top 4. You can't pick and choose when it's your turn, your turn happens every time you're in a contest.

interesting comments concerning the character of our current and previous captians.....
The serious problems that I see are almost all related to the team aspects of the game and genuine honest leadership (not just from the skipper)
If you get these correct, who you choose as captain becomes incidental and almost irrelevant.
The Cats skippers were never their best or most talented players. Harley, Ling...
Selwood is a freak exception and was always leadership material, and you can argue whether he is the best player on their list now. Certainly top 3. (I would rate him top 3 in the league)
I read a story about Selwood in the 2009 grand final that spoke volumes about what sort of person or leader he is.
When the game was up for grabs at three quarter time against the Saints, Selwood addressed the players at the 3 quarter time huddle.
Amazing strength and confidence for him to do that being at the club for only a couple of seasons and being a young player. He was surrounded by senior players like, Scarlett, Enright, Ling, Ottens, Johnston, Bartel, Corey as well as Abblet and the skipper Harley.
Selwood was always going to be skipper at some point in his career but the Cats didnt select him as skipper after Harley retired/
They went for Ling - and the media were surprised
They shouldn't have been because under Ling and new Coach Scott in 2011, the cats won the first 13 games or so, and only lost 2 games for the year (one against the Eagles in Perth by a kick or two, and one against the dopers by a kick)

And in the 2011 Grand Final against the pies, the cats played a superb second half after looking gone at one point in the second quarter.
(Scott was smart enough to understand that the cats had a brilliant team formula that shouldn't be interfered with too much - he said as much in interviews in the 2011 season, he was almost embarrassed to take credit for the teams performance during that year)

If you honestly look at what the Blues do in the leadership area, I think you will have to rank us bottom 4 in that critical area.

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I'm not sure about bottom four, but we are definitely a long way behind Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney at least.

Our leadership strength and quality is well below par - has been for some years now.
Of the Melbourne teams we have been in front the Demons and Tigers (just). I don't think we are above any of the other Melbourne teams in this area. Even the doggies over the past 5 years have been in front in this area.
Then there are 2 new interstate teams which are comprised of inexperienced youngsters
The lions and the eagles have been up and down, but still have superior leadership teams (mainly due to still having premiership players etc)
My main concern is how static we have been in this critical area over the past decade or so. No passing of the baton.
I believe that the Pagan years did some serious damage in this area, and Ratten during his reign never really addressed it. The club never addressed apart from bringing in Judd (who wasn't brought in for leadership reasons anyway)
This is the biggest problem that Mick has to address - genuine leaders don't grow on trees.
As it stands our best natural leader is probably Brock Mclean and Kade Simpson. (with Kruezer a natural quiet type leader on the ground)
....and teams need at least one quality leader on each line - so about 6 leaders minimum. And leaders with varied skills and attitudes that form a dynamic leadership group that passes on "wisdom" and attitudes to the young players coming in. (something like what the Cats or Swans do)
We were the trend setters in this area over the modern period of the game, from the moment Barrassi set foot into Princes Park and George Harris was in charge
We didn't win all the time but there was a continuity in leadership on the field until about 2003/4.

If we don't address and rectify this problem, the decades will roll on and we will most likely see the same results

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