Or you could say 62 when we make consecutive GF's.

Some good points clear, I don't think many want him sacked, just wish we never got him. Put simply, he doesn't get the best out of the group.... Easy out to say we have a shit list.

Some good points clear, I don't think many want him sacked, just wish we never got him. Put simply, he doesn't get the best out of the group.... Easy out to say we have a shit list.

Anyone who thinks that Malthouse has failed this year has probably not:

- bought into the expectations created by the club at the end of last year and the beginning of this year;
- realised that if a footy club does not go forward year to year, it goes backwards;
- realised that we were too reliant on "X-factor" players whose difference between their worst and their best was as wide as the Pacific Ocean;
- realised that our poor drafting in midfield in our search for talls over the last couple of years particularly has come to bite us;

I could go on.

Put it this year, we started playing finals in 2009 but how did we improve the list in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012? Reality is we didn't. Our development of the assets we did have was woeful. We expected to naturally improve but took no steps to do so.

Do the supporters who want Malthouse gone really think we were that good against the Geelongs, the Sydneys, the Hawthorns of the AFL? Seriously? Did they watch the way we kept getting monstered by those teams?

I think it's a reality check for our club who has finally employed someone from outside the man cave that is Carlton and its boys' club and is upfront and honest enough to say exactly what we need to hear.

How has Sydney done what they've done without the top draft picks we've had? Paul Roos' answer is culture and team-oriented behaviours. Don't see any of that at Carlton and Malthouse is the first coach we've had in a while to challenge the "Carlton Way".

I thought his comments in the Age this week were spot on. Flame me and Malthouse all you like but the footy world perceives us as flashy, inconsistent and talented but we sure aren't perceived as tough or physical.

Time for some players at our club to realise that supporters are hungry for premierships not highlight reels every couple of weeks and pain the others. The thing that hurts is that we have talent, it's just it hasn't been harnessed or developed properly. That's the problem when we take a myopic, overinflated view of ourselves.

The executive administration are included in this.

We haven't earnt the right to be arrogant but somehow strut around like so. Carlton has been arrogant in the past but we had a right to be. We sure as heck don't right now.

Everyone said Port had a shit list at the end of last year. Look at what a new pres, new fitness man and a properly appointed coach can do.

Everyone said Port had a shit list at the end of last year. Look at what a new pres, new fitness man and a properly appointed coach can do.

Everyone said Port had a shit list at the end of last year. Look at what a new pres, new fitness man and a properly appointed coach can do.

Anyone who thinks that Malthouse has failed this year has probably not:

- bought into the expectations created by the club at the end of last year and the beginning of this year;
- realised that if a footy club does not go forward year to year, it goes backwards;
- realised that we were too reliant on "X-factor" players whose difference between their worst and their best was as wide as the Pacific Ocean;
- realised that our poor drafting in midfield in our search for talls over the last couple of years particularly has come to bite us;

I could go on.

Put it this year, we started playing finals in 2009 but how did we improve the list in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012? Reality is we didn't. Our development of the assets we did have was woeful. We expected to naturally improve but took no steps to do so.

Do the supporters who want Malthouse gone really think we were that good against the Geelongs, the Sydneys, the Hawthorns of the AFL? Seriously? Did they watch the way we kept getting monstered by those teams?

I think it's a reality check for our club who has finally employed someone from outside the man cave that is Carlton and its boys' club and is upfront and honest enough to say exactly what we need to hear.

How has Sydney done what they've done without the top draft picks we've had? Paul Roos' answer is culture and team-oriented behaviours. Don't see any of that at Carlton and Malthouse is the first coach we've had in a while to challenge the "Carlton Way".

I thought his comments in the Age this week were spot on. Flame me and Malthouse all you like but the footy world perceives us as flashy, inconsistent and talented but we sure aren't perceived as tough or physical.

Time for some players at our club to realise that supporters are hungry for premierships not highlight reels every couple of weeks and pain the others. The thing that hurts is that we have talent, it's just it hasn't been harnessed or developed properly. That's the problem when we take a myopic, overinflated view of ourselves.

The executive administration are included in this.

We haven't earnt the right to be arrogant but somehow strut around like so. Carlton has been arrogant in the past but we had a right to be. We sure as heck don't right now.

Anyone who thinks that Malthouse has failed this year has probably not:

- bought into the expectations created by the club at the end of last year and the beginning of this year;
- realised that if a footy club does not go forward year to year, it goes backwards;
- realised that we were too reliant on "X-factor" players whose difference between their worst and their best was as wide as the Pacific Ocean;
- realised that our poor drafting in midfield in our search for talls over the last couple of years particularly has come to bite us;

I could go on.

Put it this year, we started playing finals in 2009 but how did we improve the list in 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012? Reality is we didn't. Our development of the assets we did have was woeful. We expected to naturally improve but took no steps to do so.

Do the supporters who want Malthouse gone really think we were that good against the Geelongs, the Sydneys, the Hawthorns of the AFL? Seriously? Did they watch the way we kept getting monstered by those teams?

I think it's a reality check for our club who has finally employed someone from outside the man cave that is Carlton and its boys' club and is upfront and honest enough to say exactly what we need to hear.

How has Sydney done what they've done without the top draft picks we've had? Paul Roos' answer is culture and team-oriented behaviours. Don't see any of that at Carlton and Malthouse is the first coach we've had in a while to challenge the "Carlton Way".

I thought his comments in the Age this week were spot on. Flame me and Malthouse all you like but the footy world perceives us as flashy, inconsistent and talented but we sure aren't perceived as tough or physical.

Time for some players at our club to realise that supporters are hungry for premierships not highlight reels every couple of weeks and pain the others. The thing that hurts is that we have talent, it's just it hasn't been harnessed or developed properly. That's the problem when we take a myopic, overinflated view of ourselves.

The executive administration are included in this.

We haven't earnt the right to be arrogant but somehow strut around like so. Carlton has been arrogant in the past but we had a right to be. We sure as heck don't right now.

A point missed on MM's admires.

All he has achieved this year is to fragment an already instable player mentality by resorting to public temper tantrums and individual condemnation.

He will turn the list over and get what in return?

Yes now we have to rebuild because he has made sure the current senior players will never again play the games they can under him.

What a pathetic exercise this has been.

Sack Sticks.

So Ratten's stellar elimination losses and dare I say it, that "heartbreaking loss in the semi...boohoo, how long will we cling onto that one" are abject failures. I'm sure you've used a contrary argument in the past when comparing the achievements of MM with BR.

that is the best post I have read on here the whole season. I agree 100%

He will turn the list over and get players to play his structure