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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:02 pm 
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BigKev wrote:
This is how I look at the Yarran situation.

He came on and didn't play well. From what I saw of the Bullants last week he wasn't particularly impressive.
If he repeats the effort this weekend I don't see how you could justify bringing him in. Actually change that - I don't see how the selectors could justify bringing him back in.


I don't think that's the right way to play it and another week playing in the VFL whilst the other guys are getting the rest can be somewhat alienating.

If the big boys have worked it out then Yarran won't play and if they haven't then Yarran will be fronting on Saturday, which isn't a good sign.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:26 pm 
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^^^

..maybe playing a couple of games alongside a hungry and eager hard working highly talented Menzel might make him realise he's not the only silky finisher we have..

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:30 pm 
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B: McInnes Jamison Simpson
HB: Tuohy Kennedy Walker
C: Robinson Gibbs Judd
R: Warnock McLean Carrazzo
HF: Armfield Kreuzer Garlett
F: Betts Casboult Waite

IC: Cachia Curnow Scotland Yarran
E: Bell Menzel Lucas
OUT: Murphy (inj) Rowe Bootsma
IN: Warnock Carrazzo Yarran McInness

Warnock to belt the ball clear in our favour onver Pike to give our mids advantage and they can feed to outside speed. Kreuzer as a CHF at the MCG will be involved in the midfield battles, Waite can be lead up at times from FF line and Casboult will take a lot of big marks at FF against the Swans.

We can win this one. We have enough grunt with the addition of Carrazzo for the insdie battles (as long as Robbo comes up, but if he doesnt Bell comes in), and plenty of speed on the outside.

Im not concerned what Swans did to Crows, I'm more interested in how we go against a team Hawks dismantled and lft as road kill, coz I know we beat Hawks after the first 5 minutes but lost the 4 points.

Would love to squeeze Bell in there, and in a smaller SCG maybe we can rest Curnow or Cachia.

Carlton by 17 points.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:34 pm 
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Cachia on Hannebery is his biggest test yet. I'd put Curnow on McVeigh. I'm not sure if Carrazzo even plays.

...and bondi...we lost Kennedy with the Judd trade.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:07 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
B: McInnes Jamison Simpson
HB: Tuohy Kennedy Walker
C: Robinson Gibbs Judd
R: Warnock McLean Carrazzo
HF: Armfield Kreuzer Garlett
F: Betts Casboult Waite

IC: Cachia Curnow Scotland Yarran
E: Bell Menzel Lucas
OUT: Murphy (inj) Rowe Bootsma
IN: Warnock Carrazzo Yarran McInness

Warnock to belt the ball clear in our favour onver Pike to give our mids advantage and they can feed to outside speed. Kreuzer as a CHF at the MCG will be involved in the midfield battles, Waite can be lead up at times from FF line and Casboult will take a lot of big marks at FF against the Swans.

We can win this one. We have enough grunt with the addition of Carrazzo for the insdie battles (as long as Robbo comes up, but if he doesnt Bell comes in), and plenty of speed on the outside.

Im not concerned what Swans did to Crows, I'm more interested in how we go against a team Hawks dismantled and lft as road kill, coz I know we beat Hawks after the first 5 minutes but lost the 4 points.

Would love to squeeze Bell in there, and in a smaller SCG maybe we can rest Curnow or Cachia.

Carlton by 17 points.


Hey Bondi - like the look of the side but the red had me in :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:04 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
B: McInnes Jamison Simpson
HB: Tuohy Kennedy Walker
C: Robinson Gibbs Judd
R: Warnock McLean Carrazzo
HF: Armfield Kreuzer Garlett
F: Betts Casboult Waite

IC: Cachia Curnow Scotland Yarran
E: Bell Menzel Lucas
OUT: Murphy (inj) Rowe Bootsma
IN: Warnock Carrazzo Yarran McInness

Warnock to belt the ball clear in our favour onver Pike to give our mids advantage and they can feed to outside speed. Kreuzer as a CHF at the MCG will be involved in the midfield battles, Waite can be lead up at times from FF line and Casboult will take a lot of big marks at FF against the Swans.

We can win this one. We have enough grunt with the addition of Carrazzo for the insdie battles (as long as Robbo comes up, but if he doesnt Bell comes in), and plenty of speed on the outside.

Im not concerned what Swans did to Crows, I'm more interested in how we go against a team Hawks dismantled and lft as road kill, coz I know we beat Hawks after the first 5 minutes but lost the 4 points.

Would love to squeeze Bell in there, and in a smaller SCG maybe we can rest Curnow or Cachia.

Carlton by 17 points.


Hey Bondi - like the look of the side but the red had me in :lol: :lol:



And everybody knows Armfield plays CHB .


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:52 am 
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Cachia on Hannebery is his biggest test yet. I'd put Curnow on McVeigh. I'm not sure if Carrazzo even plays.

...and bondi...we lost Kennedy with the Judd trade.



It is hard to see Carazzo, Curnow and Cachia all playing in the one team. Far too defensive.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:03 am 
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..it depends, Carrazzo need not play defensive at all.. ..if you let him play more attacking, he'll rack up the numbers better than anyone on our list, he's our best accumulator if we give him that much freedom.. ..the thing is, i reckon he's missed too much footy to come straight back in vs swans at scg..
..the Mummy should still be out, so who will play as their 1st ruck..?.. ..they've got Pyke and also Tippet, White as back-up..

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:50 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..it depends, Carrazzo need not play defensive at all.. ..if you let him play more attacking, he'll rack up the numbers better than anyone on our list, he's our best accumulator if we give him that much freedom.. ..the thing is, i reckon he's missed too much footy to come straight back in vs swans at scg..
..the Mummy should still be out, so who will play as their 1st ruck..?.. ..they've got Pyke and also Tippet, White as back-up..



Just on that...interesting to hear Leunberger on AFL360 the other night....said the hardest teams to play are the ones with 2 rucks...said you just get physically worked over

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:52 pm 
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...and bondi...we lost Kennedy with the Judd trade.



Thursday I had Kennedy on my mind.

HENDO

and also meant Kreuzer at CHF at the SCG will ensure he gets sucked up in the midfield battles.....because their Kennedy is a big tough midfielder and I'd like to see Kruezer add some grunt in that battle.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:00 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..it depends, Carrazzo need not play defensive at all.. ..if you let him play more attacking, he'll rack up the numbers better than anyone on our list, he's our best accumulator if we give him that much freedom.. ..the thing is, i reckon he's missed too much footy to come straight back in vs swans at scg..
..the Mummy should still be out, so who will play as their 1st ruck..?.. ..they've got Pyke and also Tippet, White as back-up..



Just on that...interesting to hear Leunberger on AFL360 the other night....said the hardest teams to play are the ones with 2 rucks...said you just get physically worked over


What's hardest for him personally though is not necessarily more effective for the opposition overall.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:43 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..it depends, Carrazzo need not play defensive at all.. ..if you let him play more attacking, he'll rack up the numbers better than anyone on our list, he's our best accumulator if we give him that much freedom.. ..the thing is, i reckon he's missed too much footy to come straight back in vs swans at scg..
..the Mummy should still be out, so who will play as their 1st ruck..?.. ..they've got Pyke and also Tippet, White as back-up..



Just on that...interesting to hear Leunberger on AFL360 the other night....said the hardest teams to play are the ones with 2 rucks...said you just get physically worked over


..we have 3 bonafide rucks on our list at 200cm and up, the backup rucks are 198 rowe and 200 casboult.. ..whatever combo we use, a single ruck with no real support is naturally going to be worked over..

..Leuey should expect a bit more support from longer next year.. ..the days of a 196 tall helping in the ruck are mostly over, unless they're a super jumper..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:57 am 
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BigKev wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..it depends, Carrazzo need not play defensive at all.. ..if you let him play more attacking, he'll rack up the numbers better than anyone on our list, he's our best accumulator if we give him that much freedom.. ..the thing is, i reckon he's missed too much footy to come straight back in vs swans at scg..
..the Mummy should still be out, so who will play as their 1st ruck..?.. ..they've got Pyke and also Tippet, White as back-up..



Just on that...interesting to hear Leunberger on AFL360 the other night....said the hardest teams to play are the ones with 2 rucks...said you just get physically worked over


What's hardest for him personally though is not necessarily more effective for the opposition overall.

Bingo

I am sure if teams picked 3 ruckman that would be even harder for him


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:16 am 
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BigKev wrote:
This is how I look at the Yarran situation.

He was made sub. For mine the sub is the bloke whose spot in the team is most in question. Maybe you could argue that there's other reasons such as match-ups etc, but you won't see any of your top performers being made sub. Whether or not his recent performances warranted this is another matter. This is how the selectors viewed his form and that's the assessment that counts.

He came on and didn't play well.

From what I saw of the Bullants last week he wasn't particularly impressive.

If he repeats the effort this weekend I don't see how you could justify bringing him in. Actually change that - I don't see how the selectors could justify bringing him back in.


Interesting to see that he had a match high 7 tackles. That's the kind of stat that I think coaches would value over possessions in a situation like this.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:34 am 
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harker wrote:
BigKev wrote:
This is how I look at the Yarran situation.

He came on and didn't play well. From what I saw of the Bullants last week he wasn't particularly impressive.
If he repeats the effort this weekend I don't see how you could justify bringing him in. Actually change that - I don't see how the selectors could justify bringing him back in.


I don't think that's the right way to play it and another week playing in the VFL whilst the other guys are getting the rest can be somewhat alienating.

If the big boys have worked it out then Yarran won't play and if they haven't then Yarran will be fronting on Saturday, which isn't a good sign.


No Yazz in the Northern lineup this week.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:50 pm 
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Goodes subbed out vs Port, injured. Might be handy.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:09 pm 
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A tough gig just got tougher.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:12 pm 
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We have no hope now after they have lost today!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:14 pm 
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Or alternatively we might not see them as invincible

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:22 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Or alternatively we might not see them as invincible


If our weakness is belief, then that's not a bad point.

Hanneberry destroyed by Kornes, will need to learn to break a tag. White, Morton, Armstrong, Pyke are ordinary and Bolton looks to have gone 1 year too long.

Armfield to go to Malceski. Would like Cachia on Kennedy, for the bigger body and perhaps Curnow to get Jack. JPK is a beast, but has been done over in a couple of games when hard tagged. Once by T.Hunt, and another by McCaffer.

A great side, but even on the rebound a 6 day break should work in our advantage. Was a slogfest today.

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