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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:23 pm 
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teknodeejay wrote:
There's some contrasting things that happen in press conferences that have me wondering which is better.

Hird talks about the merit of a young 2nd gamer kicking 3 goals (2 of which were gifts and 1 which was a beautiful sailing shot from 50 on the run). He talks about him as the future of the club.

Malthouse doesn't commend any single player for their efforts. Robinson plays with a possible cracked shoulder. Simpson courageous. But to Malthouse there's no time for heroes. It's bamboozled me. My thoughts would be to at least acknowledge the courage of some outstanding individual contributions that set an example.

But then, one team won by 40 points, the other lost another winnable game where the umpiring infuriated quite a few on here (and Mick himself).

An interesting comparison nontheless.


Agree.
There needs to be a balance.

I have no problem with him sticking up for us again st the umpires, as long as it doesn't turn into an ongoing whinge.

Similarly I don't think he needs to pump up the players too much after a loss, but a little bit of praise might be called for.

Personally I thought Robinson was fantastic and a little congratulations wouldn't have been out of place.


Anyway.
We still need to start winning more games.
Let's see how mick fares against the bye, the swans, and the pies


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:36 pm 
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Captain Dan wrote:
Malthouse wasn't hired to rebuild the list.

Club thought they were ready to challenge and needed someone who could take it a further step.


Well the club was wrong wernt they Dan.Thankfully Malthouse recognised this.

PS good post Sugarcane.Well thought out.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:37 pm 
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Anyway, who's happy with Mick and who's not.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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Me too. In fact I just googled BBW


Ended up getting sidetracked

:lol: wonder you made it back here

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:47 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
You need to relax WOW. :lol:

People who earn respect get it. Sugarcane (Virgin Blue) has been an obnoxious agitator for many years. When he offers respect to others, I'm sure he'll receive it in return.
I'm more than happy to hear everyones opinion. The people who think posters who dont share their opinion are fools or "!@#$%& blind" I'm not interested in. same as the fools who claim they channel MM and know what he's thinking and what he's trying to achieve.
"MM thinks this", "MM only does that"
They're try hard nobodies.

Lets debate the point using facts and reasonable opinion rather than fictional grandstanding.


Don't tell me to relax? I have seen my team lose 6 close games and you expect me to be calm (hahahaha).

Seriously, I don't know the history of some posters but I thought some of your comments were a bit harsh. I have also been on the receiving end of some comments from you that I thought were dismissive, so it's not an opinion based in isolation. And don't worry, I am not likely to slit my wrists over it.

However, I do respect your views as I generally enjoy reading your posts.

Now back to the topic.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:47 pm 
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mots wrote:
Anyway, who's happy with Mick and who's not.


I am.But then again i was reasoably happy with Ratts.Easily pleased i guess.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:49 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
teknodeejay wrote:
There's some contrasting things that happen in press conferences that have me wondering which is better.

Hird talks about the merit of a young 2nd gamer kicking 3 goals (2 of which were gifts and 1 which was a beautiful sailing shot from 50 on the run). He talks about him as the future of the club.

Malthouse doesn't commend any single player for their efforts. Robinson plays with a possible cracked shoulder. Simpson courageous. But to Malthouse there's no time for heroes. It's bamboozled me. My thoughts would be to at least acknowledge the courage of some outstanding individual contributions that set an example.

But then, one team won by 40 points, the other lost another winnable game where the umpiring infuriated quite a few on here (and Mick himself).

An interesting comparison nontheless.


Agree.
There needs to be a balance.

I have no problem with him sticking up for us again st the umpires, as long as it doesn't turn into an ongoing whinge.

Similarly I don't think he needs to pump up the players too much after a loss, but a little bit of praise might be called for.

Personally I thought Robinson was fantastic and a little congratulations wouldn't have been out of place.


Likely different behind closed doors, praise would be there when warranted. Like you said, perhaps holding back after not getting the 4 points. Can't be satisfied with honourable losses - time to raise the bar. Thought I saw MM letting Simmo know of his efforts during the night.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:58 pm 
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Captain Dan wrote:
Malthouse wasn't hired to rebuild the list.

Club thought they were ready to challenge and needed someone who could take it a further step.


Maybe, maybe not. But we are where we are, and we are not ready to challenge. Not just yet, anyway. If only we had gotten Mick in 2008. Still, better late than never.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:00 pm 
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Hi Synbad, After going on about the victim mentality of the club and how stupid some are blaming umpires (amongst other things) how do you feel about Malthouse blaming the umps in a press conference no less? Using stats to back up his argument too?
How do you feel??

I need to know.

What's taking you so long??
...haha

Seriously though what are your thoughts on that? To me it seems to be something you have been against for a long time. For the record I didn't like it. The stats part was ok though.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:11 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
And don't anyone tear down this post or merge it with another thread

Time will show Malthouse is worth every cent we pay him

This group of players are not by any means perfect but after just 12 games he has them busting their gut week in week out, he has instilled a dedication to give maximum effort ... and as a result we know with surety we are just 2-3 goals off the pace

And those who don't comform to the benchmark efforts and rules and expectations, regardless of your reputation you will be sidelined - make no mistake because this is about discipline and dedication and 'bare minimum standards'

First Laidler and Duigan then Waite and now Yarran and White and I don't care how good your first ten games were Jeff if you continue to let fear dominate your game you'll no doubt be next

Malthouse is sorting out the boys from the men and the girls from the boys

He is setting ground rules and in effect establishing the culture needed to one day be as clinical and professional as Sydney and Hawthorn etc

He speaks in clear, direct terms. He doesn't mince words. He speaks of a man whose been at the coal face for 30+ years as coach and has not just seen it all but has also proven he is an old dog who can learn new tricks

He understands too well it is a process because the process and time is needed to make this team Great again

He knows the ladder is at once misleading and a true reflection. Misleading because we are better than our ladder position says we are but true because at the end of the day, in practical terms we haven't won enough games...thus far ... He sees both the abstract and the reality

He knows the umpires killed us last night and he is prepared to use his high standing in the game to make a stern statement about this. He's standing up for our club!

The man, in my view hasn't said a wrong word in a presses or post match all year. He's been on the money the entire way.

He has improved individuals and the team in just 12 real games.

And the great thing is, he looks like he's just starting to get warmed up. It's time to knuckle down, pull the sleeves up, elbow to the grindstone or whatever the !@#$%& it is.

He knows what needs to be done.

Watch carefully. Just like at Collingwood he will simultaneously turn the list into a well drilled, hard nosed, dedicated unit, all the while bringing young men into the team. Before you know it he will bring in the new wave (Bootsma, Cachia and Levi now, soon Menzel, and my guess is Graham and Bucks Jnr shorlty, plus McCinnes).

He's a genius.

He has a challenge on his plate no doubt, but he wouldnt have it any other way now doubt. Something about climbing the mountain, the process.

He will be buoyed by Gibbs' great effort last night.

He will be driven by the need to turn Jeff and Yazz into men.

He knows Lucas has improved and is giving us great run but also needs to toughen up, but he knows now is not the time to bust the lads chops!

He is putting it together, assembling it. Bit by bit. Game by game.

When he said last week "we'll get THERE", strike me if he didnt say this with pure honesty. He knows where we are at. He knows it's within striking distance but some changes are needed to the list and to the culture, and he is making those changes in front of our very eyes.

Anyone who can't see this is !@#$%& blind.



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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:24 pm 
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teknodeejay wrote:
There's some contrasting things that happen in press conferences that have me wondering which is better.

Hird talks about the merit of a young 2nd gamer kicking 3 goals (2 of which were gifts and 1 which was a beautiful sailing shot from 50 on the run). He talks about him as the future of the club.

Malthouse doesn't commend any single player for their efforts. Robinson plays with a possible cracked shoulder. Simpson courageous. But to Malthouse there's no time for heroes. It's bamboozled me. My thoughts would be to at least acknowledge the courage of some outstanding individual contributions that set an example.

But then, one team won by 40 points, the other lost another winnable game where the umpiring infuriated quite a few on here (and Mick himself).

An interesting comparison nontheless.

We tried the back slapping thing with Ratten... 'the champ' etc... where did it get us?

I couldn't care less about praising players publicly... I'm sure that happens behind closed doors

I love the way he goes into bat for the entire team... something I hated when he coached others but fully understand now that he's ours

But he ain't perfect... he makes mistakes... but I have a hell of a lot more confidence going forward with Mick at the helm

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:29 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
It's both funny and sad reading rubbish posts from completely ignorant posters


Yep...sure is all about respect... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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Trust Malthouse would be an awseome name/concept for a sitcom

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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CK95 wrote:
Trust Malthouse would be an awseome name/concept for a sitcom


Trust Malthus would be better.

Reality tv show where 7 billion contestants turn on each other and succumb to war, pestilence and disease.

Should be a ratings winner. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Re: Trust Malthouse
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GWS wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Trust Malthouse would be an awseome name/concept for a sitcom


Trust Malthus would be better.

Reality tv show where 7 billion contestants turn on each other and succumb to war, pestilence and disease.

Should be a ratings winner. :thumbsup:

We already have that one.. It's called The News.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:42 pm 
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The biggest risk the CFC took was hiring a suburban footy coach as its first grade AFL coach.

May I add my perspective that MM has not come across as a flower in the media....on the contrary he has merely highlighted numerous umpiring decisions which bordered on incompetence.

And in relation to the trainers running on the ground, their uniform color was unfortunate however on the second occasion that our players kicked the ball in their direction the umps were remiss in not paying a free against the hawks. In any case what the flower were they running on the ground for? Did a hawk cop a "fair" hit in the cheekbone? I like MM must have missed something!


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club29 wrote:
Hi Synbad, After going on about the victim mentality of the club and how stupid some are blaming umpires (amongst other things) how do you feel about Malthouse blaming the umps in a press conference no less? Using stats to back up his argument too?
How do you feel??

I need to know.

What's taking you so long??
...haha

Seriously though what are your thoughts on that? To me it seems to be something you have been against for a long time. For the record I didn't like it. The stats part was ok though.



Hi club.. victim mentality is always blaming umpires after every loss.... and always using statistics to begin each sentence.. "kind of .. sort of"
M althouse knows when stats come out....he des have a wider repetoire of media fronts than say his predecessor?
Second how did Bryce go in the midfield ??
Third.. Are you happy with the shape of the list Malthouse has inherited from Ratten??...
What do you think of Rattens list management??.. of thats right.. Malthouse wasted a year... :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:01 pm 
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I'm happy with Mick. It's about time we started standing up as a club. I don't blame umpires for losses but they can have an influence the outcome of games. I am not saying we would have won on Friday night but the free kick count in the second half doesn't lie. It was one in our favour in the first half and we were in front at half time. Go figure.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:02 pm 
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When MM speaks, people listen.

He is imparting his authority and standards on not only this list he inherited, but the whole club.
Friday night symbolised how passionately he feels about the job, the playing group, and supporters by making his true feelings known about the standard of umpiring.

Any of those journos like "Fat" Tony Jones (at MM's first presser for the CFC) who questioned his passion or whether he had the fire in the belly are being proven wrong.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:30 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
Hi Synbad, After going on about the victim mentality of the club and how stupid some are blaming umpires (amongst other things) how do you feel about Malthouse blaming the umps in a press conference no less? Using stats to back up his argument too?
How do you feel??

I need to know.

What's taking you so long??
...haha

Seriously though what are your thoughts on that? To me it seems to be something you have been against for a long time. For the record I didn't like it. The stats part was ok though.



Hi club.. victim mentality is always blaming umpires after every loss.... and always using statistics to begin each sentence.. "kind of .. sort of"
M althouse knows when stats come out....he des have a wider repetoire of media fronts than say his predecessor?
Second how did Bryce go in the midfield ??
Third.. Are you happy with the shape of the list Malthouse has inherited from Ratten??...
What do you think of Rattens list management??.. of thats right.. Malthouse wasted a year... :lol:


Thank you for your prompt reply.

I have not mentioned Ratts so I am not sure why you are bringing him up. For the record I have not been happy with the list and the people who put it together to me have got it wrong and it was their undoing. I have said that a million times to you. I am not sure why you asked that.

Bryce played a very good game in our midfield on the weekend. He proved he can do things I doubted he could. He has a few more things to do to convince me. Consistency, adapting to a tag and playing in a more congested situation because lets face it the hawks game was quite open around the packs. My other opinion re Bryce was we are better team with him defense. I am not sure my opinion there has been disproven. The move of Simpson to defense has softened the blow of losing Bryces smarts and sure hands from behind the ball but still has not netted us wins. Just the one with Bryce in the midfield this season against GWS. I am close to being proven wrong and will own up when it is conclusive not run and hide like you have done countless times over the years and even do in your first reply here.

I still feel Malthouse not making changes to the list ( the list you don't like ) at the end of last year was a mistake and a waste of a year. Carrying the extra ruck contract, the HBFers and those soft of mind and body another year is a waste. So I stand by describing this year as a waste.

Now that I have addressed your questions I think it would be only fair if you actually addressed questions fired at you instead of deflecting with more questions or going into your Ratts twitch that has no relevance.


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