mosquito.. i know what im talking about...

i dont hinge and mortgage the clubs future on a pipedream.

i suppose thats where we differ..as well as i do know about football....

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Stuck in the 90's Synners.

Can't release yourself from the pain of whats gone before..

It's all Sticks and stuff and nothing good can happen from anything.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

So you come up with a post on what we should be doing to hold on to history.. members.. save our offsping even...imeasurable benefits.....................................................................but then concede its unikely .....

hold my hat im going to shag Miranda Kerr ...aerodyte... dunno where she is... dunno her... doubt she even likes me.....

what the hell am i dealing with here????

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eh???



another cimm classic post.

has all the points of a circle

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From my understanding the situation at Etihad is costing certain clubs money or severely limiting their gate money which the AFL is then having to make up through the competitive balance fund or whatever it's called. They're attempting to buy out the rest of the Etihad contract in order to solve it but the owners want $250 million so the AFL are looking at alternatives. It really has very little to do with us or our home ground so the majority of the arguments in this thread are completely irrelevant.

A question we ask almost daily.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Might use that one

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I hope Essendon* folds.

i seriously cant get around the way some people think through issues.

its not like you lot are usually right very often.........

anyway aerodyte ...to answer you and your questions re our history and children.....
we ust need to create a history into the future and stop trying to hold onto things in the past that have been draggig us down.

PP almost killed us... because we tried to cling onto it... and mortgaged our future for it

it cant exist into the future the way it used to ... once upon a time it was the best suburban home ground...

But in an era of pooling super stadiums.. corporates.. night games etc (please dont bring up whats ging in in other cities.. anyone who has played the game simcity would know why Geelong is handled differently// you dont need to be Einstein to work it out....) PP is finished .

as for clubs losing money... they probably are... when soccer clubs get bigger home crowds thats bound to happen.

ultimately the dome is an AFL baby.... and theyre not going to lose money on it by introducing other grounds that they will have to bankroll as well.. there is no sense in paying probably 100 mill for another ground.. and shifting games to that ground with a max of 25k..away from the Dome.. and lose money on the Dome too.

When PP is ever re developed.. (assuming it will).. the break even costs to play on that ground wont be cheap either... its basic economics.100 million plus running costs and interest will need to be repaid

u nless we play games there and dont touch it....

people just need to understand that....

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If this is the basis for your concern, its valid.

But Synners, here's how it work in reality.

The WA govt are going to build a new stadium. It's multi team/purpose/faceted blah blah, but really its a stadium for WCE and Freo fans.

Have a guess how much it's supposed to cost?

Now get that number and increase it by 50%. The latest estimate puts the final number at somewhere around 1.2 billion.

How much are the WCE and Freo paying? Have a guess.

Unfortunately your Elliot/Sticks fixation makes you think that we are stupid enough to try and pay for this thing ourselves AGAIN.

And, if we are then I agree with you, we should avoid it like the plague.

But I've no doubt the new deal has more in common with the Perth stadium than the Elliot plan.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

- I'm here mate just not get involved with he who knows best & all.

Different economics. WA needs a modern stadium & one to expand as the population does. SA needs a venue attractive/central to attend (hence the consolidation to Adelaide Oval city precinct).
Victoria does not need a new oval - Skilled, Etihad & the MCG can cover the games. AFL will be better off when Etihad becomes theirs (2025) or can negotiate a suitable buyout at the right price (which s why I assume there is talk off the boutique stadium as banther fodder).
If anything, Cricket Victoria needs a new home i.e. Junction Oval as a boutique domestic & training stadium - and that could be shared from April to Aug with the AFL for smaller crowds until Etihad is bought outright.
As we stand, the AFL would be better off subsidizing games at Etihad rather than spending XX amount of $$ upgrading a stadium that would need continual upgrades in years to follow. It's just not feasible.

It would be an AFL venue. Would not be OUR home ground.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Took until the last post in the thread for me to find it.

If Princes Park gets re-developed, we would lose our home ground.

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You have no doubt eh???
Again cimm.. why does the Victorian govt need a new stadium ?
I can understand it if the state was swimmin g in cash... but in an era of black holes in budgets.... a govt sponsored stadium in a city already of stadiums doesnt sound right does it??

so you should have some doubt... because if you dont have any doubt it means youre not much of a thinker.

usually thinks need to make sense for them to be viable...viability rarely works if theyre not viable

Think of WA's and SA's facilities the same way as Kooyong tennis courts and go from there....

and yes HEavs and Brad get it...
if it was to be redeveloped (and it wont).. it wont be for Carlton

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In reality, all this talk of a Boutique Stadium is just that, talk. It's all about getting a better deal from the Etihad honchos. Not too long ago, building another stadium near Etihad on Footscray Rd was also mooted, but went nowhere.
Is Geelong a feasible option for some Melbourne teams, for a couple of games a year ?
For example, could the Dogs get a better deal from the Cats than they are getting at Etihad?
Easy train for their supporters to Geeelong.
Or would North be better off playing a game or 2 down there instead of Tassie or Ballarat ?

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Possibly. Nobody seems happy with Collo's place.

Anyway, it would be great to see fixtures once again have PP (or OO or VP).

PP is starting to fall into disrepair, it would be great to see our great home in sparkling condition again.

Get it done Swanny!

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Wonder how much we paid etihad for the privilege of playing our game yesterday?

See we're giving away tickets. Port had 10K free tickets to get new people along to the game & trying to fill it up. Carl vs Hawthorn was one of the games on a Living Social promotion for Etihad games. Strange that the Hawks (home) game does not sell out with our own supporters.

City Oval Ballarat would be better.
North relocates and plays most home games there and Port and Adelaide play away games there against all the small Vic teams who can't fill Etihad.

The Federal and State Govts and the Ballarat City Council foot most the bill in an election year and the AFL pays the rest.

The Adelaide people already stage at Ballarat when they come over.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Yep, Princes Park is a pawn in a chess game, nothing more.

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