Yes it was, I can't remember as far back as that but the crap started before 95.

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Here's a sobering thought - after all the high picks we've been given we only have 3 good key position players on our list right now ! How does that happen ??

Getting Watson, McCarthy and Mitchell was tantamount to acknowledging we hadn't drafted key positions appropriately in the past ... And even then they still didn't get it right that year. Go fathom

Sure we drafted Kennedy but that was a no brainer at four and besides we traded him away so cancels it out

Just 3 good KPPs is an indictment on the club

If the 3 your talking about Sugar are Waite, Jamo and Hendo. The only one we really drafted was Jamo and that was as a rookie.

I have barely come on this site for months, mainly due to all this negative BS that goes on here.

Yeah lets bang on about how bad the club is, lets pick on all the negatives, lets go over and over about all the negatives blah blah blah. You guys ever thought how many times your repeat the same BS? seriously. i don't come on here much, but it is the same dribble.

We have a new coach, new system, new attitude, contest stats are well up the last few weeks and we have a list that can win a flag. Give it time and bite your tongue unless you just like bringing down the mood for everyone else.

Im sure we could win a flag and there will be a negative post about not winning by enough goals or something. Talking carlton is not about the club, it is about individuals flapping their gums thinking they know more about the club staff, coaches and players all from their lounge room.

Great forum

i missed u ....
where have u been????

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don't come on as much these days. This is due to boredom and where the club has been at for the last 11 years.

people at the top cant see the big picture
I have actually lost a lot of the passion for the CFC which is sad but also a bi-product of the frustration that people in important positions cant see the big picture and people like Kernahan are still there as president for flowers sake.

The Judd deal is a classic example
We went for the best player in the comp at the time and yea we got a fantastic player but have a look at where it got us
Not much further up the ladder.

One bloke cant fix the plethora of problems.

Kennedy is the leading goal kicker in the AFL and we could have some guns in their prime with picks 3 and 20.

The best example of not looking at the big picture
Remember that Germinder bloke who posted the video of himself on TC talking about how great Jezza was when he should have been giving us the big picture plans on what the club needs to do to move forward.

Its a hopeless situation when you have a guy like that having any impact on the club's direction
Actually its frightening to be honest

Last Saturday night we limped over the line.
Once again it was our so called guns who were not so good and showed a lack of leadership
the guy who pulled us through was Juddy
but he isn't the same player.
the years of putting his body where others refused to and continue to refuse to are taking its toll.
Wouldn't mind betting Chris will give it away in 2014


The thing is despite all the failure at the start of the 21st century we haven't progressed largely due to poor recruiting trades and player development.
Employing MM could be seen as another example of a high ranking footy identity employed by the club with a massive pay cheque to bring success. This could happen because face facts this list is only good enough to squezze into the top 8.

If there isn't drastic change to our list at seasons end I may completely lose interest

New game plan?

I love this excuse.
Tell me how our new gameplan is radically different to our last one.
It's not. Even Malthouse has realised we were playing a gamestyle that reflected the strengths of our team. Our problems have very little to do with the decisions made by the players when they have the ball in hand and MM will now know that now.

We have systemic issues that relate to indecision, poor planning, weak individuals who are easily influenced and policy making on the run. That is how our club and most of its departments have been managed for years.
The players are the creation of it.
The club needs a rebuild. The end result will alter very little until we change the way our club does business overall. A change of coach cannot make the difference.
All it did was buy time for those who are the real problem. 2003 again.

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We know were average when our supporters are happy enough to go along with average.
Club ambition all over is average.... expectations are down these days....some come in and "flap their gums" about how they enjoy it being average.... the status quo shouldnt change

were average.........

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Is that really you BV

You're entitled to your opinion, just like you're free to go elsewhere to comment - but this site, whether you like it or not, is about the club. I'm a member and that, along with other donations made is my investment in the club. I treat it no differently to a publicly listed company I've invested in. Both have an onus to keep me informed of news, happenings and plans going forward because one wants me to keep my shares or buy more and the other wants me to be a return customer. Both are attempting to build a certain loyalty among their 'investors'. At least they should be.

Carlton's problem is that more often than not, the 'investor' has to go looking for information. When it's presented to them, there's a reluctance to do so and the astute 'investor' feels as though they're being talked down to. A membership based organisation should have a 'customer first' model, but that hasn't always been the case. Over the last decade members have been denied voting privileges, had parts of the Constitution changed on them without consultation and had a strategic plan implemented that hasn't been adhered to. That breeds an element of distrust, particularly for those supporters who once witnessed Carlton do most things better than any other club.

In essence, we are Kodak who declared bankruptcy last year because they failed to move into the digital world well enough and fast enough. That organization overflowed with complacency. With the complacency so rock-solid, and no one at the top even devoting their priorities toward turning that problem into a huge urgency around a huge opportunity, of course they went nowhere. Sound familiar?

Carlton has improved slightly this year, but there's no stepping away from the fact that the club is in a holding pattern. There is a reluctant acceptance among members and supporters that Carlton is no longer a strong, powerful club. That's taken far too long for people to realise in part because 97% of the people were fooled into thinking Dick Pratt was the be-all-and-end-all answer to the clubs' problems. The reality was, at football board level, Dick knew no other way than when he sat on the Carlton board in the 80's.

'Who's the best player?...Well let's get them' he once said. That's fact. That happened. I appreciate that some supporters are simply interested in the football side of things. But Carlton's off-field and on-field issues are intrinsically intertwined. I also appreciate that some board members are trying their hardest, but they must realise they have a shelf-life and for half a dozen, including the President, their time is up.

There's no denying it - we're average across the board. But there's potential for this club to be great again but it requires many ego's to be put aside for that to occur. Historically, that's never been an easy thing to do at Carlton.

Totally agree.

Its culture now.

Its moshes fishtank analogy.

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That's the problem. We appear to be starting to get some better people in around the fringes but the wanna-be big boys are still calling the shots and still patting themselves on the back for landing their big fish (that word again ...) while hoping like hell Mick saves their arses.

There is a lack of acceptance or even awareness among mainstream supporters ( as opposed to tragics like many of us on this forum) of the issues at Royal Parade, so there is unlikely to be a supporter-led campaign or even calls for change of any significance, especially if MM gets the boys up and going against the top 8 sides.
If we stop winning games people start asking questions and people get exposed, like last year with the GC loss & the handling of Ratts' sacking.
MM might raise a few eyebrows to the outside world when he culls the list & with some of the names put up on the market.

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Gibbs said after the game on the weekend we are adjusting to a new game plan

And any idiot can see we are going along the boundary a lot more. Downside to this is it makes it a bit harder to score goals. Upside is it theoretically makes it harder for the opposition to score goals

Agreed the players need to be taught better or turfed

Why are we average?

Doesn't seem to matter whether it's Brittain, Ratten or Malthouse coaching us. Or who our chairmen or captain is. In the last decade and a bit, I've never seen Carlton play team football. Not sure who's feet this problem falls at. But it's there plain as day.

We aren't hard at it, we're not courageous we don't breach the pain barrier on the field and we never help out a mate between the white lines. We're too pretty.

Our '99 team might not have won the flag, but they were my all time favourite team. Played as a team, they all had each other's back and they played without fear as a team.

I'd hazard a guess that overall our 2013 list is more talented than the '99 one.

We have a list that can win a flag? With only 3 good KPPs??

Crikey !

Sad when supporters accept mediocrity. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity it would seem

Game has changed so much you can't compare

Let's hope Mick knows how to get the team playing like a well oiled team.

But his game plan would need to still hold up when it counts so lets also hope his game plan is still relevant.

Personally I think the thing that keeps Mick up at night is the realization our tough players lack skill and our skilled players lack toughness

Not sure he can change either of these things

This is a product of recruitment

If that means a rebuild then so be it

Brittain was a fine coach, the last time CFC was a real hard working, tough unit was in 2000, maybe 2001.

The bottom fell out of the worst managed list of the worst managed club, and he was finished.

From the outside MM appears to be pretty much a realist and, unlike Ratts, he has the advantage of not being a Fan so he should be able to make the hard decisions list-wise that Ratten never really did. There are enough hints in MM's comments so far this season to believe this will happen. Probably 12 years too late but it would be a start.

I keep comparing the Coach's Report that MM sends out to the one that Ratts used to - they are chalk and cheese.

One aspect of his coaching that I wondered about before he started was how flexible he was going to be but I have been impressed with how he has set the team up depending upon the opposition. The underlying question which has been presented a number of times is can he instill the right culture into the team - he has admittted obliquely (and sometimes more openly) that this is his biggest issue.

For all our sake's I hope so but I also agree we have to remove the 'rotting head'.

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I still love you, oh, I still love you
Only slightly, only slightly less
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Really?

Explain the massive differences in game plan that you're seeing. Give us some data to back it up.

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