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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:10 am 
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Pretty sure all clubs would have rated Lucas as a first round pick. the Eagles were into him at pick 7 for a long time. The kid could play as a junior and was great at the champs as a 16 year old, and was playing WAFL as a 17 year old. He's played 20 games of AFL, I'm prepared to back him in. Has more chance of making it than Watson (not the Jobe variety).


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:53 am 
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I was watching kane at the famous preston city oval sitting in the grandstand and i see him handball to his bullant team mate and totally missed him .In the same game kick over teammate head causing a turnover that is when i realised we stuffed up again.how can a 1st rd pick make basic errors at this level.

Why was he handballing in the grandstand?

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:55 am 
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nothing to be miserable out - we have a new coach who will in all likeliness run a broom through this club at seasons end :thumbsup:




If that is the plan then what is the point of getting a 60 year old to do it?

We couldn't find anyone older?

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:15 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
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nothing to be miserable out - we have a new coach who will in all likeliness run a broom through this club at seasons end :thumbsup:




If that is the plan then what is the point of getting a 60 year old to do it?

We couldn't find anyone older?


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I'm sure plan A didn't include the big broom - but can't see Mick persisting with club personnel that can't lift us to being a genuine top 4 outfit in the next 5 years or so, so plan B it will likely be IMO.

60 isn't old. I'm sure he can still see the games evolution and build on a vision.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 8:27 am 
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60 isn't old. I'm sure he can still see the games evolution and build on a vision.



I agree with both those points, but in my view he'll be retired from coaching when we win our next premiership.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:14 am 
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CK95 wrote:
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60 isn't old. I'm sure he can still see the games evolution and build on a vision.



I agree with both those points, but in my view he'll be retired from coaching when we win our next premiership.

that doesnt mean he cant be crucial in improving our postion to be there compared to now

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:19 am 
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OVERNIGHT RESULTS. WE WANT THEM.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:44 am 
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dane wrote:
OVERNIGHT RESULTS. WE WANT THEM.



Actually dane I'm advocating we should've done the opposite. And saved ourselves a few hundred thousand a year.

Synbad wrote:
CK95 wrote:
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60 isn't old. I'm sure he can still see the games evolution and build on a vision.



I agree with both those points, but in my view he'll be retired from coaching when we win our next premiership.

that doesnt mean he cant be crucial in improving our postion to be there compared to now


So succession plan then?

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:56 am 
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9. Why did you play Kreuzer?

Kreuzer: 6 disposals: 2 marks: 0 scores: 91% game time.
Hampson: 9 disposals: 4 marks: 1 goal 2 behinds: 7 hitouts: 94% game time.
Warnock: 14 disposals: 5 marks: 0 scores: 42 hitouts: 91% game time.

McEvoy: 20 disposals: 10 marks: 0 scores: 18 hitouts: 87% game time.
Hickey: 14 disposals: 5 marks: 0 scores: 9 hitouts: 82% game time.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:10 am 
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cortez wrote:
9. Why did you play Kreuzer?

Kreuzer: 6 disposals: 2 marks: 0 scores: 91% game time.
Hampson: 9 disposals: 4 marks: 1 goal 2 behinds: 7 hitouts: 94% game time.
Warnock: 14 disposals: 5 marks: 0 scores: 42 hitouts: 91% game time.

McEvoy: 20 disposals: 10 marks: 0 scores: 18 hitouts: 87% game time.
Hickey: 14 disposals: 5 marks: 0 scores: 9 hitouts: 82% game time.


Dear cortez,

Once again I'll respond until Malthouse registers an account.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We thought that we could contain Big Boy McEvoy with a full rotation system on the bench. Once we lost both Yarran and Ellard, our rotation system of one tall and two mid-fielders was torn to pieces. Ideally we would have liked to rotate Warnock and Kreuzer through the ruck and rest the one on the bench while having a complete compliment of midfielders. Again, this was destroyed.

The dominance of of Big Boy McEvoy is two things. Firstly we kicked it right to where he was stationed in our forward fifty, and oh boy, wowee, did you see him take all those marks? We really served it up to him and it wasn't smart at all to continually do so. Secondly, it's hard to explain the absence of at least one tall causing a spillage even with Big Boy blocking the hole. One thing we did well against West Coast in particular was stopping Big Cox taking defensive marks (which he is very good at). We would deliberately go for the spoil, and allow our players to crumb. We failed at doing this on Monday night. With so much defensive rebound for the Saints, this was a game killer for us.

We thought we had the right mix. We did not have a strong position to adjust to when we lost two mids. (Had we lost a tall, we arguably could have compensated much better).

This is something we'll learn from as we move forward because it is not the game plan we have been working on.

*not authorised as an official response from Mick Malthouse.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:26 am 
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CK95 wrote:
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OVERNIGHT RESULTS. WE WANT THEM.



Actually dane I'm advocating we should've done the opposite. And saved ourselves a few hundred thousand a year.




IT'S ONLY MONEY!
SHOW ME THE MONNNNNNEEEEEYYYY!

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dane wrote:
OVERNIGHT RESULTS. WE WANT THEM.


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If a song can't be written in 20 minutes, it ain't worth writing.




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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:26 am 
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Playing injured players is something that Collingwood fans I know used to bitch about when Malthouse was their coach.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:03 am 
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Maybe his experience of building lists, proven coaching success at two clubs, and those two big silver cups they hand out after the grand final to the teams that he previously coached seduced the Board.



Three cups. Memory starting to fade a bit?


Didn't really pay close attention to how may cups Malthouse had been a part of as a coach, I must admit.

I would much rather focus on getting # 17 for Carlton, and who is most likely to be able to get us there sooner, and with the best chance of sustained success.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:07 am 
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It took Ross Lyon two thirds of the year to get his side to play his way. They looked ordinary early last year but stormed home. Just give it some time and the results will follow.

Ratts didn't help Lucas' development by playing him for 1 or 2 games and then dropping him.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 2:24 am 
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CK95 wrote:
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60 isn't old. I'm sure he can still see the games evolution and build on a vision.



I agree with both those points, but in my view he'll be retired from coaching when we win our next premiership.



I'm 60 and I agree it's not old (not like it was 20-30 years ago!!).

In my view he'll be (and I'll be) retired from life when (if?) we win our next premiership.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:12 am 
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All I ask is mick play 1 ruckman and cazbolt

I don't even care which one but no more than one.

Best guess 206 due to clearance work and kruz and Hampson in the 2s


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:45 am 
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All I ask is mick play 1 ruckman and cazbolt

I don't even care which one but no more than one.

Best guess 206 due to clearance work and kruz and Hampson in the 2s

Agree.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:48 am 
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Bigredisback wrote:
All I ask is mick play 1 ruckman and cazbolt

I don't even care which one but no more than one.

Best guess 206 due to clearance work and kruz and Hampson in the 2s


Over the past few days I have heard Leigh Mathews, Mark Maclure & Paul Roos question why we would play THREE pure Ruckman. Never works and doesnt work.

Comments such as they don't move, make it easier for sweepers to take the ball away, dont mark enough, poor defensively, dont demand the ball.

Simply, it doesnt work. Comment also was that we have improved in many areas and that MM is giving everyone a chance to prove themselves.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:04 am 
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Bigredisback wrote:
All I ask is mick play 1 ruckman and cazbolt

I don't even care which one but no more than one.

Best guess 206 due to clearance work and kruz and Hampson in the 2s

Agree.

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