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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:24 am 
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I will pass onto the Club you would like a football related person next time though.


...And therein lies part of the problem. Did anyone read my post on the Bulldogs? Every board member has a 'portfolio' that the supporters know about. So if we do another Q&A it might be better to spell it out that e.g Ryan will talk about new innovation at the club, some change in direction at membership, 2013 marketing initiatives, plans for 2014, what he's working on with Jay, Clinton etc etc...perhaps even with a move to do back-to-back Q&A with a 'football' related issues the following week and Andrew McKay answering some questions (because when it comes to football matters - I don't really want to hear from a board member).

Unfortunately, it needs to be spelled out.

FWIW, I think there has been increased transparency, and that is what a lot of members want to see. But there is no pleasing some supporters (I'm looking at you Synbad, Brad). The Q&A sessions like last night are good for the people who want to be involved. If you don't want to participate, don't log on. And if you didn't get anything from it - it doesn't mean that someone else didn't. But there's no doubt they probably need to be fine tuned and perhaps the suggestion of just answering questions from the board members area of responsibility is the way to go.

Whats to be pleased abour mediocrity?
Yes! were average and im rapt!!!

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:48 am 
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No business goes from mediocrity to overnight success Synners. Least of all a football club with no real defined roles at board level. Once the cull comes and numbers go to single figures, I see great things.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:37 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
No business goes from mediocrity to overnight success Synners. Least of all a football club with no real defined roles at board level. Once the cull comes and numbers go to single figures, I see great things.




And with all due respect to Ryan, we have all heard the rhetoric we want to see the action.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:49 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
No business goes from mediocrity to overnight success Synners. Least of all a football club with no real defined roles at board level. Once the cull comes and numbers go to single figures, I see great things.

1)more than a decade is not overnight success...
2) Collingwood did

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I see great things too.. but not re the Carlton Footy Club.. thats average... !!

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:50 am 
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Thanks for your time Ryan.
Please pass on our suggestions for the banner for the Bombers game.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:41 am 
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Very generous of you to give up your time Ryan. Much appreciated.
Please don't take any feedback as a personal attack.
Ultimately you will be judged by the performance of the board over the next few years. You have a clean slate haveing just started in the job and it is exciting to have people of your calibre join the board.
But we are a proud club and supporter base and over the last decade we have seen our club become mediocre.
Baby steps are not what we want anymore. Other clubs are making strides and we should be too.
It sounds like you have rolled your sleeves up and hit the ground running and thats great.
Any dissatisfaction you feel is aimed more at the board over the last 5 years.
Obviously everyone here hopes you succeed where others haven't

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:58 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Ryan,

I apologise if accusing you of trotting out the company line with some of your responses seems unfairly critical, but as others have mentioned we're looking for more than the standard, generic responses we've heard from others in the past. CK95 put it very well I think.

My first post in this thread was to thank Luca for organising and advising us of the Q&A and to pass on our appreciation to you. We do appreciate the time you've taken to answer our questions.

We're hearing a lot about the changes taking place at the club, some of them are visible in terms of the increased social media presence and reaching out to members, which is fantastic.

If I can offer some constructive feedback though, the push to 50,000 members to move to the MCG comes across as putting the onus on supporters, almost emotional blackmail, rather than enticing supporters to become members because the club values you.

To put it another way, supporters should become members because they love the club and feel valued and appreciated...not so we can get 50,000 to move to the G.

It might not seem like much, but there is a difference. As part of the changes and review I hope we're looking at how other clubs interact with supporters and convert them to members by making them feel valued.

Keep the good news coming. Im sure its tough dealing with the negativity from supporters and members, I hope you can see it as an opportunity to gain feedback as well.


great post Brad, and I agree with you on all of your points. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:04 am 
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AGRO wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
No business goes from mediocrity to overnight success Synners. Least of all a football club with no real defined roles at board level. Once the cull comes and numbers go to single figures, I see great things.




And with all due respect to Ryan, we have all heard the rhetoric we want to see the action.


That's fine - but what do you want? Do you want to see a quarterly board report to members with a piece from every board member? Is it that level of accountability that you want to see. Personally - I'm in favour of it....whether it's put on the website - or even a Q&A such as last night.

e.g...I don't know what Adrian Gleeson has done for the last 12 months. It'd be nice to get a heads up as to where Adrian's area of responsibility lies. I know Marcus Clarke was hands-on during the development of the training facility, but what now? How's Craig Mathieson going? Has the President found a project for Craig that fits his skill-set? These are areas that Eddie McGuire excels at. The example of the Bulldogs board I gave is more compelling evidence that this club needs more transparency.

The blurbs of our board members are poorly constructed. I don't want to wait until election time to hear the spruiking about what they've done. Give it to me now. My 'investment' in the football club should be no different from my investment in the stock market where I'm drip-fed news on a regular basis. Talk to me Carlton board. Engage with me. I'm happy to come in and be Company Secretary if you need me! :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:09 am 
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Adrian was a producer for 'Blinder'... fair to say it wasn't a project that suited his skill-set.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:12 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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DocSherrin wrote:
No business goes from mediocrity to overnight success Synners. Least of all a football club with no real defined roles at board level. Once the cull comes and numbers go to single figures, I see great things.




And with all due respect to Ryan, we have all heard the rhetoric we want to see the action.


That's fine - but what do you want? Do you want to see a quarterly board report to members with a piece from every board member? Is it that level of accountability that you want to see. Personally - I'm in favour of it....whether it's put on the website - or even a Q&A such as last night.

e.g...I don't know what Adrian Gleeson has done for the last 12 months. It'd be nice to get a heads up as to where Adrian's area of responsibility lies. I know Marcus Clarke was hands-on during the development of the training facility, but what now? How's Craig Mathieson going? Has the President found a project for Craig that fits his skill-set? These are areas that Eddie McGuire excels at. The example of the Bulldogs board I gave is more compelling evidence that this club needs more transparency.

The blurbs of our board members are poorly constructed. I don't want to wait until election time to hear the spruiking about what they've done. Give it to me now. My 'investment' in the football club should be no different from my investment in the stock market where I'm drip-fed news on a regular basis. Talk to me Carlton board. Engage with me. I'm happy to come in and be Company Secretary if you need me! :wink:



17, 18, 19 & 20.



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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:19 am 
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People's Elbow wrote:
Adrian was a producer for 'Blinder'... fair to say it wasn't a project that suited his skill-set.


A mate of mine forked out a $200 for Kickstarter project about a documentary on Beer. For that, he gets mentioned in the opening credits...His name is right there in the credits 'Joel _____' : Executive Producer

So being associate producer ain't exactly what I'm after from Adrian!! So is it just me - or don't members want to see more board accountability? I'm stoked with Ryan's appointment because the club needs someone with entrepreneurial know-how. We know what he brings to the table. Not so sure about some others. There's 13 of them - so one would hope Sticks has them doing something constructive.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:22 am 
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AGRO wrote:
17, 18, 19 & 20.

:grin:


Yes. Don't we all. But let' start with the simple things...the things that the club has been unable to get right for quite some time.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:23 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
People's Elbow wrote:
Adrian was a producer for 'Blinder'... fair to say it wasn't a project that suited his skill-set.


A mate of mine forked out a $200 for Kickstarter project about a documentary on Beer. For that, he gets mentioned in the opening credits...His name is right there in the credits 'Joel _____' : Executive Producer

So being associate producer ain't exactly what I'm after from Adrian!! So is it just me - or don't members want to see more board accountability? I'm stoked with Ryan's appointment because the club needs someone with entrepreneurial know-how. We know what he brings to the table. Not so sure about some others. There's 13 of them - so one would hope Sticks has them doing something constructive.


Or more importantly the Board has Sticks doing something constructive.

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:41 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
People's Elbow wrote:
Adrian was a producer for 'Blinder'... fair to say it wasn't a project that suited his skill-set.


A mate of mine forked out a $200 for Kickstarter project about a documentary on Beer. For that, he gets mentioned in the opening credits...His name is right there in the credits 'Joel _____' : Executive Producer

So being associate producer ain't exactly what I'm after from Adrian!! So is it just me - or don't members want to see more board accountability? I'm stoked with Ryan's appointment because the club needs someone with entrepreneurial know-how. We know what he brings to the table. Not so sure about some others. There's 13 of them - so one would hope Sticks has them doing something constructive.


Absolutely Doc.
This club has run like North Korea in its secrecy. No information unless its PR spin. Platitudes and motherhood statements is all we get fed.
The thing is that we hope things are in motion but we have no idea. The board could be just continuing the same old and we are non the wiser.
If they don't want to share their efforts we can only judge them on performance and so far that ain't pretty.
There is a definite element of covering for each other. Nobody knows who is doing what. like you said, if it was made public who was responsible for every area then someone can be accountable.
Currently accountability isn't a big priority

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:43 am 
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AGRO wrote:

Or more importantly the Board has Sticks doing something constructive.

:wink: :razz:


And therein lies part of our problem. An 'Update from Sticks' doesn't fill me with confidence. Nothing against the bloke - but seriously, the landscape changed a while back, you've had your time, move along and give someone else a go. That someone else has to be able to communicate extremely well to a myriad of stakeholders - and that's not something I think Stephen Kernahan can do. I don't think Ahmed Fahour is the right guy either. I've heard him speak many times and he can't speak without notes and is a poor speaker. Luke Sayers could be the guy - but I'm not au fait with how much he understands the business model of a football club or Carlton. He might be a better CEO.

Maybe we change the Constitution and not have a President. Maybe we just go with a senior executive group of 8 plus CEO.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:48 am 
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Accountability shouldn't be a lot to ask for - in fact we shouldn't need to ask for it all all.

Each Board member should have a responsibility(es) that they have to report against to the club's members... it's really not that hard.


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:10 am 
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JohnM wrote:
I think I speak for most Carlton supporters when I say that the thing we desire most from season 2013 (besides making firm steps towards Flag No.17) is Essendon* getting absolutely reamed by ASADA/WADA/the AFL. So anything our board can do to grease the wheels of justice, please do so with our blessing.


Wow, that was quick work Ryan :thumbsup:


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grrofunger wrote:
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watch this space re our recruiting department in the next 48 hours!


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:15 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
JohnM wrote:
I think I speak for most Carlton supporters when I say that the thing we desire most from season 2013 (besides making firm steps towards Flag No.17) is Essendon* getting absolutely reamed by ASADA/WADA/the AFL. So anything our board can do to grease the wheels of justice, please do so with our blessing.


Wow, that was quick work Ryan :thumbsup:

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