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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:39 pm 
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Who agreed with the sacking of Ratts decision and his replacement?

Mick was a Sticks appointment in the end - even though he hinted at getting Roos - who didn't want to coach then, and probably didn't want to come to carlton anyway (who knows)

This isn't just about Sticks as President - no matter how poor he has been and that the buck must stop with him.

as a side issue, WADA wont blame Evans for the mess at Essendon*** - they put the blame on the players but their agenda is very narrow and relates to athletes adhering to the drug code.

In the end Evans will be the head of the club that should and will take the responsibility (even if he was shut out of the scam from subordinates etc - which I doubt is the case anyway - that's why he stood down in the end)


Ratts had to go. He was a problem, not a solution. We are where we find ourselves because of the Football Dept he presided over.


So the buck stops with the coach?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:44 pm 
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The passive attitude of most of the onfield leaders is an indictment on the Ratten era.


Being positive comes from within

Being positive wasn't ratts problem.

He just couldn't cover all bases as a senior coach. Had a few strong points and few weak points that he wasnt clever enough to cover with assistants who he trusted to delegate responsibility. All the great coaches can do this.

Everything returns to the players, self motivation and driven to succeed, via quality leadership.

And what does this group of players sadly lack?

They have the ability to achieve more.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:49 pm 
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I said PASSIVE


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:49 pm 
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jim wrote:
Manchego Cheese wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Who agreed with the sacking of Ratts decision and his replacement?

Mick was a Sticks appointment in the end - even though he hinted at getting Roos - who didn't want to coach then, and probably didn't want to come to carlton anyway (who knows)

This isn't just about Sticks as President - no matter how poor he has been and that the buck must stop with him.

as a side issue, WADA wont blame Evans for the mess at Essendon**** - they put the blame on the players but their agenda is very narrow and relates to athletes adhering to the drug code.

In the end Evans will be the head of the club that should and will take the responsibility (even if he was shut out of the scam from subordinates etc - which I doubt is the case anyway - that's why he stood down in the end)


Ratts had to go. He was a problem, not a solution. We are where we find ourselves because of the Football Dept he presided over.


Possible the Football Dept might presided over him. That might've been the problem.


Possibly, but I think he had enough control. The team was absolutely his and fell apart under his watch. He did alright for a while - perhaps as well as he could have given the list - but wasn't the answer going forward.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:52 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Manchego Cheese wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Who agreed with the sacking of Ratts decision and his replacement?

Mick was a Sticks appointment in the end - even though he hinted at getting Roos - who didn't want to coach then, and probably didn't want to come to carlton anyway (who knows)

This isn't just about Sticks as President - no matter how poor he has been and that the buck must stop with him.

as a side issue, WADA wont blame Evans for the mess at Essendon**** - they put the blame on the players but their agenda is very narrow and relates to athletes adhering to the drug code.

In the end Evans will be the head of the club that should and will take the responsibility (even if he was shut out of the scam from subordinates etc - which I doubt is the case anyway - that's why he stood down in the end)


Ratts had to go. He was a problem, not a solution. We are where we find ourselves because of the Football Dept he presided over.


So the buck stops with the coach?


It does when that coach has been in the role for 5 years and produced one finals win and taken the list to the edge of a cliff. It is Ratten and his regime to blame for where we are at the moment.

I said in another post that every deficiency we have is a result of Ratten's time in charge. A lot of what is positive about the list stems from Malthouse's brief time in charge. We've seen a seismic shift in philosophy with regard to recruiting. Menzel, Cripps, Holman, Graham, Temay, Giles et al mightn't all be superstars, history shows us its pretty difficult to get every pick right, but at worst they're all footballers.

We had some diabolical results under him in 2012, many just as poor as what we've seen the last two weeks. Port, North, Gold Coast, Adelaide and Hawthorn losses immediately spring to mind.

I'm more than willing to give Mick until the end of this initial contract, both because we can't afford to pay him out and he needs to be the one that begins a savage rebuild/clean out. If we're on the right track come half way through next season then see if he wants another 2 years. If we've improved

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:33 am 
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That is pretty much wahts happened and what is going to happen.
Ratten coach and the support is just cheap idolatry and nothing more.
didnt kick any goals as a coach and were here because of his management .. but i blame sticks and board more

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:32 pm 
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Dear <name>,

The 2011 AFL season kicks off in just over two weeks time and once again Carlton will be involved in the season opening game. This year we have a home game against Richmond at the MCG on Thursday March 24th with the match commencing at 7:40pm.

It will be the start of what promises to be an exciting and hopefully successful year for the Carlton Football Club and we are delighted that you are part of the Club in 2011.

As we have improved in recent years, the expectations have grown and this year we aim to continue to improve. Our objective is to once again be involved in the finals and to take another step and make sure we win a final. This is important for our development and once a team enjoys finals success it becomes part of the culture and gives everyone confidence going forward.

All Carlton people are aware of our wonderful history, the ultimate success the Club has enjoyed on sixteen occasions in the AFL. While we cannot live in the past, acknowledging and recognising those people that have helped create our history is important.

On Saturday March 26, the Carlton Hall of Fame Dinner, celebrating the 1981/82 Carlton premiership reunion will be held at Crown. This is a very important night for the Carlton Football Club as we honour those people who have played a significant role in our Club. During this function we will be inducting five new people into the Carlton Hall of Fame and one current Hall of Fame Member will be elevated to Legend Status.

Together with the celebrations of the 1981/82 Carlton Premiership reunion, this promises to be a very special night for Carlton people.

As part of the desire to acknowledge our history, the Spirit of Carlton – past and present, has assisted with the funding of a cabinet at Visy Park that enables us to display Carlton memorabilia for supporters to enjoy. The current display features the 1981/82 Grand Finals, including the Norm Smith Medal won by Bruce Doull in 1981.

While we must never forget what has happened in the past, it is now and the future that is most important for everyone at the Carlton Football Club. We know 2011 is shaping as a critical season in our ongoing development on the field as we strive to build a team that will win the Club's 17th AFL Premiership.

After months of discussion between the Board and Senior Management, together with consultants, we have released our five year plan – Carlton's Blue Print for now and the future. This is about taking the club forward from 2010.

In recent years we have strived to ensure we provide the very best facilities and support for the players and this culminated in the opening of the world-class facilities at Visy Park in 2010. While we will continue to ensure Carlton has the best resourced football department, this is just one element of the important strategic plan.

The Board believes it is important for everyone involved with the Carlton Football Club to be aware of the key elements of the Carlton Blue Print. This includes the Carlton Values and the Club's Strategic Objectives:

The Carlton Values:
Integrity
Teamwork
Innovation
Leadership
Excellence

Carlton's Objectives – By the end of the 2015 AFL season we will have:
Premierships – sustained success, including winning our 17th premiership, leading to winning two premierships by 2015
Supporters & Stakeholders – largest engaged supporter base
Brand – highest rating 'value for money' services for members, sponsors and supporters among our peers
People – attract, develop and retain a remarkable team of high performers
Financial – best resourced football department, sustainable surpluses for investment and a healthy balance sheet
A more detailed summary of the strategic plan has been released on the Carlton website for you to view. Click here to view the Carlton Blue Print online.

Importantly the Strategic Plan is more than words and ideas; it has true meaning and is part of the culture of the Carlton Football Club. This is a living plan, one that everyone at Carlton; the Board, Management, Staff, Coaches and players will live by. We believe it is a true blue print for our future and trust it provides you with confidence in what the future holds for your Club.

The Carlton Football Club promise is to be uncompromising in pursuit of sustained success and our mission is to win premierships and provide amazing experiences. This is part of our trademark and the benchmark for how the Club operates today, tomorrow and in the future.

We thank you for being an important part of the Carlton Football Club and look forward to enjoying a fantastic season together, commencing on Thursday March 24 at the MCG.

Yours sincerely



Stephen Kernahan
Carlton Football Club President
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This is what the board and executive wanted to be measured on. So it's time to apply the focus onto the board's inability to deliver on, more than likely, none of the objectives and missing by a long long way.

Lets also state on the record the Club was aiming for 60k which was a public metric they went to market with last year so we could move to the MCG.

If this was a public Company, do you think the CEO would still in place after such a major miss? Do you think the Chairman would be in a position to retain his seat?

So how have we measured up?

Premierships = FAIL
Supporters & Stakeholders = FAIL (Don't give me social media stats)
Brand = ?
People = FAIL
Financial = FAIL (Reliance on pokies, otherwise what makes us sustainable without them?)

Let's have a look at...

The Carlton Values:
Integrity :lol:
Teamwork :lol: :lol:
Innovation :lol:
Leadership :lol: :lol: :lol:
Excellence :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


To me,
it appears as though this document was just something that seemed like a good idea to the executive at the time.
A novelty.
Something to put on a list of initiatives that were ticked off during the year.

Hire some consultants - TICK
Set some goals - TICK
Print some glossy brochures - TICK
Wave it at members at the AGM to show how proffesh we are - TICK
Wait for the FLAGZ to roll in - umm... ....

Did the strategic plan have any life past the printing stage?
Was it all a plan based around the fact that "We nearly beat West Coast in a final once in 10 years therefore we are now a powerhouse professional club, the type of slick operators who pay to get glossy brochures printed" ?

Did the strategic plan die with Ratt's demise?

Is there accountability for this plan?
A great way to ensure accountability would be for Swann to provide the members with a (reasonably) comprehensive half yearly or yearly update on progress in relation to the strategic plan.
This would show the members that the CEO is actively tracking how each area is progressing, and addressing any issues in particular areas that are falling behind.

Am I lazy? Have I missed these updates? Are they published somewhere?
Doesn't have to be a novel, just a summary update to show that Swanny is treating it as a serious document.


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Did the engage consultants to produce the blueprint ?

If so, at what cost ?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:29 pm 
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What does all this mean in 2 years?

Round 1 2016 our home game vs Richmond with 80,000 members packed into the ground all wearing our heritage jumper - just like the players.

New board, new direction, new young stars lining up to make a statement.

No wishy washy slogans. Just a united front.

Dreaming, maybe just a bit. With a positive plan and commitment, why not!


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