Aah. Got it. Yes I am a bit of a Pollyanna supporter. Unfortunately, Ratts cured me of that.

Haven't got it in for you. I hear you're a good guy. Just find myself opposed to your views about what's ailing this once great club.

Peace out!

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Howdy J&theK,
You were going Ratts in season 2. You should know the joy of having a go at a coach simply because you don't like them. You also were the biggest cheerleader for the players going around. They could do know wrong. If they dropped a mark, two ran to the same spot, gave up on a chase, played with no heart the week after dominating you were straight onto the coach as though he told them too. When they choked it was the coach even though they were choking during other coaches times. You were the biggest cheer squad/face painter type going around so i am not sure why you are laughing.

No more shootouts Mick. It won't get it done.

Club is an interesting one.
On one hand he blames players not the coach.
Now it's the coach not players.
But the previous coach had over five years to balance a list.
He was in charge. That's what he got paid to do.
Now in clubs eyes having said it was the players not the coach Perviously keeping in mind the previous coach assembled developed and prepared hid own list..
Mick must now coach the guys club said in the past were soft to victory.
I want to know why malthouse must do with Rattens list what Eaten could not do with his own ?
I'll tell you why club makes these comments......

Club said and I'll quote " I hate malthouse" this is not a boy who uses the weird"hate' on a man he has not only not met but a coach who had been at the club a matter of months and must pick up the pieces of the previous coaches list who had give years to balance it. In the words of club "our players are
Soft" meaning rattens assembled list. The same list ratts oversaw for over five years.

This says quite a lot
about Clubs angles I reckon.

I couldn't believe it but he actually on record said he"hates malthouse.a grown man.

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I get it. I oppose my views often. Sometimes after a week long TC lay off i even start posting replies opposing my own posts then realise its me. Need consistency me.
Still Mick will get the treatment our other coaches got from others on this site. Never gone the coach before but with Mick I find it easy.
Hopefully one day watching Mick lose wont mean watching Carlton lose.

You should join Big Gartos and Princes Park Whistler at a Northern game sometime. It is a great laugh.

Mick has not been at the club long enough to damage it or enhance it.
But after one round you say you hate Mick.
But you're silent on those that indeed have stalled and damaged the club.
You care not about the club but only of your perceptions of individuals.
TV week posters inside your wardrobes too?


Club29
"I hate Mick"

Lol

Funny

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Yeah Season 2....yet you're going bananas after week 2 of a new coach trying to get a disorganized unit into being an organized one....

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..while i agree the list manager has been sleeping on the job, it's not those contracts.. ..jospeh, davies.. ..possible list cloggers sure, but not on the big bucks lets be honest.. ..i like him, but McLean for pick 11 and a good coin 3 yr contract?, Knockers for 2 picks, good coin and 4 yrs on no proven record??.. ..and a resigning [paycut?? doubtful] for another 3 yrs???.. ..the waite contract too, these are the ones that are hurting our ability to improve our list at the trade table..

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Everybody forget about Mick's record of making finals prelims and grand finals.
He is no good because club29 said "I hate him!"
That's so funny.
Give Mick the six years plus you were happy to give ratten and judge then.
I find it hilarious that this is the club mentality.

Just say you're not a fan but don't rubbish bin after two games in fact it was one and
"I hate him"
He is coaching with a record.
Ratts coached from thin air. His list management crap. We have no leaders. We have no settled defence and twenty half back flankers.
He sat in on draft day.
He watched the games from unviewable positions etc
What was so good about him as coach if he didn't play for the club?
Yes I know you hate Mick but you must admit he is better credentialed to move us forward.

One and two games with no grace?
Listen. If he proves to be rubbish I'll join you but at this point I'll stick to not bashing him because he has a much better record than the guy you protect and support.

He will never be a head coach again.

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Just a sign of this defensive mechanism that Malthouse said pre season that our game will be based around. Can you tell me what it is? Is it the long kicks around the boundary?
Season 2 after a wooden spoon.
Mick was talking premierships at the family day.

That is how you do it Moshe !

THis post ring a bell Synbad.

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No doubt he is happy to see we have half a squad of half back flanker types.
Talls that cant play
and a midfield that looks ok on paper but doesnt run both ways.

Personally i bellieve he has the basis of a group that does suit his style if he can develop them [/quote]

Hedging your bets big time.

Coach was talking flags at the family day. He believed we had the list all we needed was a gameplan based around a defensive mechanism.

PS I cleared up that hating the coach comment for those who care to look. It is all about football nothing else. I hear he is a good bloke.
I also have stated many times that I will be irrational and unreasonable when talking about the bloke due to 40 years of conditioning and have no desire to change .
Also i have sat and read many coach hate posts on this site for years and believe being irrational and unreasonable is the standard approach.

I dont like Mick either his petulance last week and particularly at the MAC breakfast was in stark contrast to graciousness of Buckley all week during interviews
Having said that support him because he is the coach of our football club - irrespective of that I think the first 2 games have been disappointing and the same mental fragility we have been seeing over the last 5 years still pervades the performance - good teams would have beaten richmond albeit they were outplayed most of the match -see cats yesterday - a good team that was mentally strong would have ground out a win after being 10 points up at three quarter time yesterday - a good team wouldnt let a 17 game player kill you all day
This is Micks greatest challenge - hope its not insurmountable and hope it doesnt take too long - early days yet but a new coach ie Lyon at Freo has taken them places and they were before he arrived perhaps the biggest headcases in the game - lets hope Mick has a similar impact

Spot on...let's just remember that it took Lyon half a season.

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If we dont make the 8 i see this as a failed season... plain and simple

Ratten had that many injuries to key blokes for long periods of time last season and he copped it in the end because we didnt make finals.

The players get let off too lightly in my opinion. im not saying malthouse isnt a good coach, im saying ratten wasnt that bad a coach.

Finals in 2013 or we have gone backwards.

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This.

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Who cares about press conferences.

But you could see why. And you could see what he was trying to do. They were easy to play against and he has made them hard almost impossible to play against. they way he stripped them back to being nothing but defensive and then let them work their way out from there was obvious. So far i dont see anything done to make us hard to play against. Just seeing a slightly different flavour of shoot out footy that comes undone when the pressure is on. When is he going to UNLEASH the plan?.........if there is one.

This.

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Who cares about press conferences.

Freo won three of their first four games last year, including beating the reigning premiers!

I was happy seeing improvement from Rd 1 to yesterday. He is clearly breaking them down a bit before building them back up again into running his plan on autopilot.

The rotations thing concerns me, this didn't appear to be an issue last year, and Mick obviously was at the forefront of higher rotation numbers a few years ago. not sure why it should be an issue now, but two weeks in a row it would appear we've suffered from a lack of rotations (with mick seemingly putting it on the players).

In a similar vein, one thing I was always confident of in this group was it's ability to run out games, that really seemed lacking yesterday.

Unfortunately, we've got an expanding group of players who are down on form, confidence, instinct, talent or all four and not really contributing from what I can see;

Davies - clearly trying, but clearly not up to it
Zach - what has happened here? Looked like he was ready to elevate, and he's gone backwards
Casboult - not contributing enough
Bootsma - ball watching, gets sucked into contests, physically not up to it. Get some meat on him
Laidler - I was leading the charge for him to be in the team Rd 1, but he wasn't himself yesterday, didn't look right physically and was pretty ordinary judging the ball, which is obviously a strength for him (usually)
Murph - I will put down to fitness, but looks like he is lacking surety in his touch

On the positive side, Jamo and Hendo were miles in front yesterday vs Rd 1. Great aerial defending from both of them.

Sounds like a pre-election stump speech for a future Carlton board member.

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Now that I've calmed down the way I see it is this:
I'm not happy that he's our coach BUT I'm willing to give him a chance, if we are not travelling well after playing ten games than I'll be disappointed.
What does astound me is the flip flopping of people on here who were baying for Ratten's blood because we underachieved and are now stating that it's Ratten's list and fault that Mick is struggling.

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