Brad Green named development coach

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:44 pm

..actually, while Green isn't neccessarily known for getting his hands dirty, and isn't an agro kind of player,, i wouldn't call him soft.. ..outside player sure, but have seen him get crunched in marking packs and go back with the flight of the ball plenty of times.. ..wouldn't play like robbo [not many do], but was a half fwd you could rely on to put his body on the line..

camel · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:51 pm

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

I reckon the list of so-so players that were regarded as uninspiring assistant coach selections at one stage, only to turnout good, would be very long.

Fair call. :thumbsup:

limestone · **Joined:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:37 am **Posts:** 770

dane wrote:

I have faith

Yeah, but you also love Raph!

:razz:

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

The Rhino wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

Good luck Brad.

Thanks.

You can't equate a playing career to how someone will coach.

Lets see how it goes before we judge.

The overwhelming amount of successful coaches that were nuggety back pocket players says otherwise. Another overwhelming component is that they were all known for their on-field aggression/hardness (Worsfold, Voss, Scotts, etc.)

Not too many fit the criteria of soft, outside receiver types. Only one I can think of is Terry Wallace in recent memory. Eade maybe, although perhaps unfair.

Then again, we just got rid of a nuggety back pocket as coach...

With respect Rhino, but Plough was definitely not a soft outside receiver type. He was an in and under accumulator beast not dissimilar to Ratten.

(About as good a coach too, I might add).

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

I stand corrected.

In regards to BKB's comments above about hardness at the footy - whilst my comments can be construed as solely being hard/tough at the footy, by listing that as a second example of the type of player who ends up as a coach. I'm also talking about mental toughness here.

Brad Green is/was probably renowned as one of the most mentally weak/non-team focused footballers of the past decade, whether it be for his ridiculous goal celebrations when the team were 10 goals down, or just for the statistical variance between his record against poor sides and his record against top 4 sides. Would there have been a player in the past decade with a record that deviates so much depending on the quality of the opposition?

In the meantime, we've just come off a season where we went from premiership favourites to losing to Gold Coast, to missing the finals in the space of 3 months, with overwhelming criticisms about the playing list's inability to play consistent football, to not be distracted by off-field issues, to play for each other and not for themselves, and not just play when it suits them.

Given these criticisms and deficiencies, it's arguably the worst appointment possible. On par with appointing James Manson as goalkicking coach.

AIRCAV · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:51 pm

+1 . Well said Rhino

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

The Rhino wrote:

I stand corrected.

In regards to BKB's comments above about hardness at the footy - whilst my comments can be construed as solely being hard/tough at the footy, by listing that as a second example of the type of player who ends up as a coach. I'm also talking about mental toughness here.

Brad Green is/was probably renowned as one of the most mentally weak/non-team focused footballers of the past decade, whether it be for his ridiculous goal celebrations when the team were 10 goals down, or just for the statistical variance between his record against poor sides and his record against top 4 sides. Would there have been a player in the past decade with a record that deviates so much depending on the quality of the opposition?

In the meantime, we've just come off a season where we went from premiership favourites to losing to Gold Coast, to missing the finals in the space of 3 months, with overwhelming criticisms about the playing list's inability to play consistent football, to not be distracted by off-field issues, to play for each other and not for themselves, and not just play when it suits them.

Given these criticisms and deficiencies, it's arguably the worst appointment possible. On par with appointing James Manson as goalkicking coach.

Playing at the highest level for over a decade requires mental toughness.

I'm not exactly bursting with excitement at Green's appointment either, but I think you're getting carried away and making some fairly baseless assumptions about the man.

JohnM · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:16 pm

i've got no idea.

But I'm not sure how this works. Ratten was as honest and blue collar and grunty a footballer as you can get, yet as coach he created a team of soft, flakey downhill skiers who shat themselves every time the spotlight was put onto them.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18016

JohnM wrote:

i've got no idea.

But I'm not sure how this works. Ratten was as honest and blue collar and grunty a footballer as you can get, yet as coach he created a team of soft, flakey downhill skiers who shat themselves every time the spotlight was put onto them.

Did you see our finals match against West Coast in 2011 John?
We had the hardest road trip in the game with less than our full complement of players and missed a prelim by less than a kick.
Yes we had a poor year in 2012 which correlated with our injuries IMO but to suggest the players shat themselves every time the spolight was put onto them is wrong IMO.

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:28 pm

Heavs wrote:

237

I reckon he played shorter though...

BigKev · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:31 pm

The Rhino wrote:

I stand corrected.

In regards to BKB's comments above about hardness at the footy - whilst my comments can be construed as solely being hard/tough at the footy, by listing that as a second example of the type of player who ends up as a coach. I'm also talking about mental toughness here.

Brad Green is/was probably renowned as one of the most mentally weak/non-team focused footballers of the past decade, whether it be for his ridiculous goal celebrations when the team were 10 goals down, or just for the statistical variance between his record against poor sides and his record against top 4 sides. Would there have been a player in the past decade with a record that deviates so much depending on the quality of the opposition?

In the meantime, we've just come off a season where we went from premiership favourites to losing to Gold Coast, to missing the finals in the space of 3 months, with overwhelming criticisms about the playing list's inability to play consistent football, to not be distracted by off-field issues, to play for each other and not for themselves, and not just play when it suits them.

Given these criticisms and deficiencies, it's arguably the worst appointment possible. On par with appointing James Manson as goalkicking coach.

But he will bring with him the teachings of Daniher, Riley and Bailey.
Hmmmm ..... :sly:

Kouta · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:38 pm

Hawthorn's midfield coach was Leon Cameron who was renowned for his kicking and outside game playing at half back.

Cameron was no McKay or Worsfold.

Are the Hawks soft?

FIGJAM was more outside than in and under like Hayes. And neither was Mcleod.

I guess it's completely rational to assume that Brad Green is going to override Malthouse and stamp his mark on the club.

Great arguments.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

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4thchicken · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 3136

Why am I not surprised at the amount of wrist slashing over his appointment? Most here wouldnt know what his strengths/weaknesses are as a coach yet in some people's minds we should already have already hung, drawn and quartered him

At least give the bloke 1/2 a week before you hang him!

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:57 pm

1/2 a week!!! Can't we just make it 3.5 days instead.

JohnM · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:05 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

JohnM wrote:

i've got no idea.

But I'm not sure how this works. Ratten was as honest and blue collar and grunty a footballer as you can get, yet as coach he created a team of soft, flakey downhill skiers who shat themselves every time the spotlight was put onto them.

Did you see our finals match against West Coast in 2011 John?
We had the hardest road trip in the game with less than our full complement of players and missed a prelim by less than a kick.
Yes we had a poor year in 2012 which correlated with our injuries IMO but to suggest the players shat themselves every time the spolight was put onto them is wrong IMO.

I stand corrected. Should've said 'almost every time'.

I just don't buy this idea that teams play in a mirror-image of the way their coach played.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

4thchicken wrote:

Why am I not surprised at the amount of wrist slashing over his appointment? Most here wouldnt know what his strengths/weaknesses are as a coach yet in some people's minds we should already have already hung, drawn and quartered him

At least give the bloke 1/2 a week before you hang him!

there's a few not-so-glowing endorsements here but I haven't noticed any 'wrist slashing' or 'hanging, drawing and quartering' :lol:

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:18 pm

OK, so we all know better than Maltz and Wiley how to select a development coach.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:32 pm

4thchicken wrote:

Why am I not surprised at the amount of wrist slashing over his appointment? Most here wouldnt know what his strengths/weaknesses are as a coach yet in some people's minds we should already have already hung, drawn and quartered him

At least give the bloke 1/2 a week before you hang him!

The club has announced that, having reviewed Brad's performance as Carlton's Midfield Dev coach, Brad will be executed at 2.45 on Thursday.

This time is subject to change without notice and the CFC recommends members arrive early to avoid disappointment.

murraycray · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:55 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

4thchicken wrote:

Why am I not surprised at the amount of wrist slashing over his appointment? Most here wouldnt know what his strengths/weaknesses are as a coach yet in some people's minds we should already have already hung, drawn and quartered him

At least give the bloke 1/2 a week before you hang him!

The club has announced that, having reviewed Brad's performance as Carlton's Midfield Dev coach, Brad will be executed at 2.45 on Thursday.

This time is subject to change without notice and the CFC recommends members arrive early to avoid disappointment.

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