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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:44 pm 
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Belief isn't something you turn on or off. It comes from deep down.


Team sport, depends on the individual. But no matter what belief they have, they must know coach believes in them. Reckon we have more than a few who rightly or wrongly don't have the confidence of the coaches. Match committee has seemed dysfunctional for a while...not just one man (Brett Ratten), but a few.

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Change the coach quickly with someone who can deliver that we are a chance


That will, in all likelihood, happen at years' end. Change Brett Ratten now and you're either left with an interim coach not cut out to be a senior coach or you're putting a coach in charge who doesn't have his team with him...he has Brett Ratten's team. The LA Kings put Sutter in charge - but kept Terry Murray's assistants. Sutter didn't have a problem with that when he signed.

I would guess...and I'd only be guessing, that Mick Malthouse wouldn't have a problem working with Gavin Brown and Alan Richardson. But I'd reckon he'd want to bring one more with him. That mightn't suit everyone involved - and in the meantime, you're trying to compete while your assistants and fitness staff put their CV's out to other clubs....remember that Brown and Richardson have hopes of being senior coaches.


My concern is damage done in the meantime. You know as well as I that there are senior players that are not happy and will feed on any unrest. I get the impression this is already happening.

If it is Malthouse, and there are strong indicators to think it is, he will want to wait until years end anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:53 pm 
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Psych.

You say that both you and the Doc know there are issues between Ratts and the playing group.

You go on to say there are strong indications that MM is going to be coach.

Can you expand on this ? PM if it's sensitive.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:53 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
If it is Malthouse, and there are strong indicators to think it is, he will want to wait until years end anyway.



They wont get another cent from me if Malthouse is appointed.
I'm happy to back the club financially but not if they're unable to make intelligent progressive decisions.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:56 pm 
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could malthouse be considered young?

if not we are a long way off blueman's timeline !

i'm certain ww3 starts later this year and this is the year we win the flag from a lowly position in the 8, with ratts as the young coach.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:30 pm 
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Get Russell back in the side and in form so we have more depth, size and run down back. JR is no worse than some of Collingwood's good ordinary defenders and players. Nothing special about Toovey, Buckley and Clarke. Russell could turn it around and become a best 22 player if we lose him for nothing. A player doesn't lose their ability overnight. Walker nearly left after he hit a dry spell two years ago.

Keep favouring players who are hard if you can't separate them at selection.

Play O'Keeffe if he hits form in the VFL and give him games without dropping him after one hit out. We need more muscle, grunt and skill. Don't think you can say with any confidence that Rhys has less talent than Ellard, Curnow or Armfield. ROK Showed OK speed off the mark last year. We lack medium players who go in hard and can kick.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:36 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
could malthouse be considered young?

if not we are a long way off blueman's timeline !

i'm certain ww3 starts later this year and this is the year we win the flag from a lowly position in the 8, with ratts as the young coach.


If that happens ill be really happy. At least until WW3 later in the year.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:43 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Psych.

You say that both you and the Doc know there are issues between Ratts and the playing group.

You go on to say there are strong indications that MM is going to be coach.

Can you expand on this ? PM if it's sensitive.


cimm, this is the third PM on 2 different sites that I've seen you request in the last 2 days!.....

....can you forward them to me if you get any?!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:53 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
If it is Malthouse, and there are strong indicators to think it is, he will want to wait until years end anyway.



They wont get another cent from me if Malthouse is appointed.
I'm happy to back the club financially but not if they're unable to make intelligent progressive decisions.

I'll turn into a ranter

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:58 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
If it is Malthouse, and there are strong indicators to think it is, he will want to wait until years end anyway.



They wont get another cent from me if Malthouse is appointed.
I'm happy to back the club financially but not if they're unable to make intelligent progressive decisions.



Inclined to agree BV.

I also don't believe that Richo will be at Visy Park if MM turns up

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:59 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Psych.

You say that both you and the Doc know there are issues between Ratts and the playing group.

You go on to say there are strong indications that MM is going to be coach.

Can you expand on this ? PM if it's sensitive.


cimm, this is the third PM on 2 different sites that I've seen you request in the last 2 days!.....

....can you forward them to me if you get any?!


:lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:38 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
Get Russell back in the side and in form so we have more depth, size and run down back. JR is no worse than some of Collingwood's good ordinary defenders and players. Nothing special about Toovey, Buckley and Clarke. Russell could turn it around and become a best 22 player if we lose him for nothing. A player doesn't lose their ability overnight. Walker nearly left after he hit a dry spell two years ago.

Keep favouring players who are hard if you can't separate them at selection.

Play O'Keeffe if he hits form in the VFL and give him games without dropping him after one hit out. We need more muscle, grunt and skill. Don't think you can say with any confidence that Rhys has less talent than Ellard, Curnow or Armfield. ROK Showed OK speed off the mark last year. We lack medium players who go in hard and can kick.

O'Keeffe???

Played 4 games in 4 years...

Straight in???

Actually if you look at our non contributing members over the last 3 seasons its a sorry tale.
Guys that are injured
Not making the team
OR out of form

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:52 pm 
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I would like to see a blue police box appear in my study and the Doctor invite me in and take me to whatever the next grand final day it is that we win our next premiership so I can avoid X number of months (optimistic) or years of reading TC and getting comatose and/or depressed

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:22 pm 
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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
I would like to see a blue police box appear in my study and the Doctor invite me in and take me to whatever the next grand final day it is that we win our next premiership so I can avoid X number of months (optimistic) or years of reading TC and getting comatose and/or depressed



Looking at sometime in the early 22nd century at this rate - pick me up please. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:32 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
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I would like to see a blue police box appear in my study and the Doctor invite me in and take me to whatever the next grand final day it is that we win our next premiership so I can avoid X number of months (optimistic) or years of reading TC and getting comatose and/or depressed



Looking at sometime in the early 22nd century at this rate - pick me up please. :wink:

Sheesh, you're a flower sugar coater and optimist, Agro. What are you smoking? Early 22nd Century??? If we're lucky....

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:14 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
If it is Malthouse, and there are strong indicators to think it is, he will want to wait until years end anyway.



They wont get another cent from me if Malthouse is appointed.
I'm happy to back the club financially but not if they're unable to make intelligent progressive decisions.

I'll turn into a ranter


Turn?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:25 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
If it is Malthouse, and there are strong indicators to think it is, he will want to wait until years end anyway.



They wont get another cent from me if Malthouse is appointed.
I'm happy to back the club financially but not if they're unable to make intelligent progressive decisions.

I'll turn into a ranter

who cares!!!??? :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:42 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
AGRO wrote:
GodisNavyBlue wrote:
I would like to see a blue police box appear in my study and the Doctor invite me in and take me to whatever the next grand final day it is that we win our next premiership so I can avoid X number of months (optimistic) or years of reading TC and getting comatose and/or depressed



Looking at sometime in the early 22nd century at this rate - pick me up please. :wink:

Sheesh, you're a flower sugar coater and optimist, Agro. What are you smoking? Early 22nd Century??? If we're lucky....



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:46 am 
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If we're going to get rid of Ratten I'd like to see an actual interview process to appoint the next coach - not just throw cash at Malthouse/Roos/Blight because of their past success.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:09 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
If we're going to get rid of Ratten I'd like to see an actual interview process to appoint the next coach - not just throw cash at Malthouse/Roos/Blight because of their past success.

what you would want to see and what will happen are two separate things!

this is Carlton @#$%&! the rest!

its culture!

people don't get it!

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