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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:03 am 
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For the first time ever, I dragged myself out of bed at 0200 to watch a game of footy not involving Carlton. I wanted to watch the Hawks/Pies game to see where they are at this early stage of the season.
I was a bit shocked at the difference in intensity compared to the Richmond game. We need to use the Brissy game to hone up the game plan, attack on the man and ball and goal kicking or the Collingwood match the following week will be a sudden left rip to the solar plexus. Collingwood's collective poor kicking, especially in the first half matched our own on Thursday and Hawthorn showed what straight kicking can do when you don't have control of the game tempo.
It is our achilles heel. Kicking from set shots should be a basic skill. For the life of me I can't work out why a player like Waite can't kick goals from 30 metres out 90% of the time. Or Eddie. Or Murphy (although he got one from one the other night. His semi misses from last year still give me nightmares)
Thornton's technique is basically flawed. The coaches MUST be able to see from the replay that he kicks the footy where he is pointing. He runs at the left post or just outside it and that's where the footy goes.
Kreuzer had 11-0 when he first started. He has dropped off a lot since then (no hard stats but I have the feeling)
Garlett just jogs in and kicks without seeming to concentrate. Eddie is a bit the same and stabs at the footy instead of kicking through it.
Hampson is a bit iffy from any angle at all. His ball drop is long.
Walker is the best set shot for goal in the team. Gibbs would probably be next. They concentrate and have a routine. The best goalkickers in modern times have all had one. Even the ridiculous throwing up of the grass by Lloyd inside a closed stadium. Part of a routine.

These things have to be formally addressed at training. I don't recall any comments from the training watchers that says it is. Then we have to take the lessons into games like the Brisbane game, which we should win comfortably, and practise them. Otherwise we will give the good teams a head start every week.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:27 am 
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i'll be watching on from sunny Phuket on my honeymoon!!!!!
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:eek: Come again?

Probably, it is a honeymoon

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:04 am 
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I really hope Waite doesn't get rubbed out. We need him to get some continuity into his footy and find peak form/fitness early in the season. I'm not sure who we'd bring in for him either...perhaps Jamo, depending how he goes tomorrow, but I think the MC would prefer to give Jamo an extra week in the VFL. The other options are Rowe, Watson or McCarthy. I'd say McCarthy because of this extra mobility and to give him some exposure to AFL. It may be sooner than the club intended, but it could be a good game to debut him.

But assuming Waite avoids suspension, and there's no other forced changes (hopefully Laidler pulled up OK), the only change I'd be inclined to make is Brock in for Curnow. I thought Curnow had a reasonable game last night, but I don't think he gives us much that Brock can't and I think Brock has better disposal. I've been critical of the Brock trade, but he has hardly put a foot wrong lately and I think the MC should give him a go while he's in form. Otherwise, they should have paid him out and delisted him last year. If he spends a lot of time on the bench in the 2nd half tomorrow in the VFL, I'd say that's an indication he's going to Brisbane.

Collins is in a similar situation - he's come from another club and is under pressure to keep his spot on the list. There may be a case for him to play him as Sub if he has a good game tomorrow, but I'm not sure who he'd force out...

JR is obviously the player currently in the team that is still searching for form, but we know he's a confidence player and so I'd like the MC to persist with him for awhile longer.

I'd bring Lucas into the 21 and play either Tuohy or Armfield as Sub (depending on match-ups).


I thought Curnow played really well and definitely does not deserve to be dropped.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:17 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
For the life of me I can't work out why a player like Waite can't kick goals from 30 metres out 90% of the time. Or Eddie. Or Murphy (although he got one from one the other night. His semi misses from last year still give me nightmares)
Thornton's technique is basically flawed. The coaches MUST be able to see from the replay that he kicks the footy where he is pointing. He runs at the left post or just outside it and that's where the footy goes.


Waite will kick most of the goals he misses, at training.
Thornton hit the post a few times at training on Wednesday. Portent of things to come?
Eddie hardly missed a shot through the off-season.

Things change come game day.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:25 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
We'll wait and see what transpires jimmae, but I am afraid Brock is one of the great Carlton trading debacles to sit beside Davenport, Mansfield, O'Reilly etc.


That's not quite right.

Injury and now depth have conspired against McLean getting a run of games to establish himself as a regular of our squad.
It really is Curnow vs. McLean and both have their pros and cons, so the MC will be on constant alert as to who should get the run and when.
It was largely a 50/50 call on Wednesday night.

You're right though that history may well not remember McLean favourably, but the guy does work hard for the jumper.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:36 am 
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Just saw the Waite incident again on the replay - knowing how the AFL MRP treats these things early I'll be very surprised if he gets less than 2 weeks. Waite almost had an "I know I'm in trouble" look on face as he came away from the contest and the umpire told him he'd been reported....... hope I'm wrong but I'm thinking he'll miss.


Did the Richmond player take his kick? Was he injured? Any blood?

No. Why? Because he made the most of the minimal contact there was by head butting Waite's gut.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:27 am 
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Just saw the Waite incident again on the replay - knowing how the AFL MRP treats these things early I'll be very surprised if he gets less than 2 weeks. Waite almost had an "I know I'm in trouble" look on face as he came away from the contest and the umpire told him he'd been reported....... hope I'm wrong but I'm thinking he'll miss.


Did the Richmond player take his kick? Was he injured? Any blood?

No. Why? Because he made the most of the minimal contact there was by head butting Waite's gut.


I think you are correct KK.

I just don't think its going to be viewed that way by those who dish out the judgement.
Waite's body language and words with the ump after the incident looked to me like he thought he crossed the line with contact with the head. Real bad luck. It happened very quickly, and really he shouldn't be rubbed out because he tried to lay a tackle and not bump his opponent like Buddy did last year.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:03 am 
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Waite facing one-week suspension if report stands, which it probably won't.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6314934091


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:31 am 
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Blues Forever wrote:
Waite facing one-week suspension if report stands, which it probably won't.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6314934091

he should get a week.. and then a month for being a moron.

Weakest senior footballer going around ...

Just cheap shots and laziness

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:40 am 
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Couldn't see Duigan or Jamo rushed back on the back of half a VFL game. Duigan maybe considering he played against Brisbane, but not convinced. Full game with flying colours, and you'd wonder whether a game against an ordinary side up there where they can be subbed off, is probably more beneficial than a slog on a suburban mudslide.

No Warnock this week in the VFL either. At least three weeks away from senior selection now I'd think.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:45 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Blues Forever wrote:
Waite facing one-week suspension if report stands, which it probably won't.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6314934091

he should get a week.. and then a month for being a moron.

Weakest senior footballer going around ...

Just cheap shots and laziness


You're pretty good with the cheap shots there yourself my friend. :smile:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:53 am 
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Hopefully no change this week.

If Waite is rubbed out then I'm hoping Duigan plays to get into the rhythm.
Imo Jamo could walk straight into the Pies game with just one VFL game under his belt and do well.

I think you are wrong about Waite Synbad re"...weakest senior footballer going around".
Not only wrong, but imo way off the mark. I think I know whatyou are trying to point out...brain fades???
He's a highly rated AFL footballer, and one of Carlton's most important players.
Seemed to get into the groove last night after recovering from the shock report.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:29 am 
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After watching the replay a few times last night I would be shocked if Waite gets any time off. A nothing incident.
History shows that the bloke has brain fades but this was not one of those times. If he sat back and waited for Grimes then we wouldn't be happy at all with his attack on the contest. He really couldn't have done much else in the situation.

Even if they give him a week I hope CFC decide to contest the charges.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:41 am 
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I though Waite restrained himself quite well before contact.
Just a sloppy entrance to a attempted tackle.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:43 am 
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Can't understand why anyone would want to move hendo forward. He has been twice as good in the backline as he ever was up forward, and without him I think we're short a genuine KPP size defender, even with jamo in. Let's not make the same mistake we did with Waite and keep moving him around. The bloke has settled down back and is playing great footy. Leave him there

If Waite's out, who would you play up forward?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:45 am 
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No Warnock this week in the VFL either. At least three weeks away from senior selection now I'd think.

I honestly think he's not going to factor into selection until mid-season.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Blues Forever wrote:
Waite facing one-week suspension if report stands, which it probably won't.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6314934091

he should get a week.. and then a month for being a moron.

Weakest senior footballer going around ...

Just cheap shots and laziness



Whilst I'm all for free speech, comments like these make me doubt you are little more than an adolescent keyboard hero. Whilst I totally agree, at times Jarrod can be a little ambiguous in his decision making, no one could doubt his attack and commitment on the football.

I wonder if you were a geelong fan whether you would openly attack Gary Snr?, or North with Cary?, or Brisvegas with Brown? Almost all the times I have seen waite, he has had eyes on the ball.

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default ... sid=131812

I'm a dimbat...


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:05 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blues Forever wrote:
Waite facing one-week suspension if report stands, which it probably won't.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6314934091

he should get a week.. and then a month for being a moron.

Weakest senior footballer going around ...

Just cheap shots and laziness


You're pretty good with the cheap shots there yourself my friend. :smile:

did he have his head over the ball???
Ita pathetic its aways Waite.
We work hard and he releases the pressure with undisciplined.. lazy free kicks and play.

Thats not a cheap shot!!.. its only cheap if he has his head over the bal...

Its calling it for what it is...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:10 pm 
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TrueBluePete wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Blues Forever wrote:
Waite facing one-week suspension if report stands, which it probably won't.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-ne ... 6314934091

he should get a week.. and then a month for being a moron.

Weakest senior footballer going around ...

Just cheap shots and laziness



Whilst I'm all for free speech, comments like these make me doubt you are little more than an adolescent keyboard hero. Whilst I totally agree, at times Jarrod can be a little ambiguous in his decision making, no one could doubt his attack and commitment on the football.

I wonder if you were a geelong fan whether you would openly attack Gary Snr?, or North with Cary?, or Brisvegas with Brown? Almost all the times I have seen waite, he has had eyes on the ball.

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default ... sid=131812

Take another look at it again dimbat .. err I mean synbad.



I did see it.. its nothing that i havent seen from him for the last 5 years.

He is either pretending to chase by diving at the man so he is no longer in the contest and an excuse to not chase.
Or its a kick in the nuts.. or a bump when it should be a tackle...


It must be a coincidence its always Waite....!!!

Football is about discipline and keeping the screws on the opposition.
Waite is either spraying kicks .. running/leading to dead pockets ..bumping not tackling... falling to the ground... playing from behind.... or giving away undisciplined free kicks .. and thats when he he can get himself on the park.

Oh.. hes a kid.. we cant criticise Waite too???

get real!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:11 pm 
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Waite has very little on field discipline in the way he plays - too reckless
Probably a result of the lack of leadership during the dark years - wasn't trained properly as a pup


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