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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:49 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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For those suggesting we drop Setanta, who's Plan B for Brown if we play Jamo and he doesn't stand up? It only leaves Thornton, especially if Waite is out. I think we either need to keep Setanta in or bring in Bower to give us another option on Brown apart from Jamo. I am not sure T-Bird is a suitable backup.


Aside from last year's game, Thornton's got a relatively decent record on Brown. They may drop him for Bower. Setanta may make way for Henderson who could also have a crack at him.


I have been Thornton's biggest critic. But no way known should he be dropped after his last few weeks.


I agree - I don't think we should drop him. But I still don't think he is a good matchup for Brown.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:38 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Winning form is good form.
Winning teams need no change.

Having said that, there's always the obvious changes that can happen, when there's a better OPTION available.

Against that backdrop I would suggest the following (just my opinion):

Kreuzer > Setanta for FF role
Warnock> Hampson for No 1 ruck role
Henderson> Waite for CHF role
Bower> TBird for 3rd tall role
Houlihan > Ellard, Armfield, Curnow, in class and forward role (not that they are considered fwds like Houla is)
Laidler > Tuohy (although Tuohy may prove this wrong if given a decent chance).

That looks like too many changes to make in one week, but over time, I think those changes are likely to happen in the 2nd half of the season.
There's still 12 games to go before the finals, so we're in no rush to make wholesale changes because we need to get games into players before finals. Plenty of time and games in 2011 for changes.



Interesting!

Kruezer for Setanta is a definite.
Not sure about Warnock for Hampson. Both have been okay but neither outstanding and I thought Hampson showed some improved yesterday.
If Henderson is in form needs to come in but this is where it get tricky. If Waite is fit I would send him to CHB and have Henderson and Kruezer up forward surrounded by Walker and Garlett. Waite can play CHF but he isnt a natural and I think his run and carry and ability to support others may really make our back 6 unbeatable. He can always push forward when need and catch oppositions out. Thornton may be the unlucky one in our best 22.
Bower needs to show some good consistent form before being considered.
If Houlihan comes in it will be for Armfield. Ellard and Curnow are vital for their hardness and if either one was to go out it will be for McLean. Betts may need to do more or Houlihan may take his place as he offers more options.
Laidler will come back in a week or two but who goes out? Touhy needs to be given a few full games to judge him and he is a completlely different player.

Tough decisions to make but good problems to have!

My line up this week:

B: Touhy Jamison Duigan
HB: Yarran Waite Russell
C: Simpson Curnow Scotland
HF: Garlett Henderson Gibbs
F: Betts Kruezer Walker
Foll: Hampson Judd Murphy
Int: Ellard Robinson Carrazzo Thornton

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:52 pm 
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Kreuzer in for Setanta is a cert.

No way can we bring Warnock in, he's missed 2 weeks with concussion, he comes back through the Ants (and Hammer has been good).

If Waite is injured, Hendo comes in (although I'd like to see Hendo in regardless, for Army/Ellard/Touhy)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:54 pm 
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Thouy played a quarter of football. If we are going to bring in a debutante he deserves a proper chance --- play him for the next 2 weeks


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:54 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Thouy played a quarter of football. If we are going to bring in a debutante he deserves a proper chance --- play him for the next 2 weeks


I agree with that. Just put his name there as a possibility.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:58 pm 
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Someone said winning teams = consistent teams and that is correct
Will be few changes unless injury forces our hand

OUT : Setanta
IN : Kruezer

and leave it at that

Hammer was good against Port esp given it was wet, hard to drop him when he's just getting some momentum. That said they dropped Brock for Ed.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:00 pm 
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Give Kruezer 1 more week in the reserves imo.

Bring in big Hendo

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:23 pm 
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Kruise should not be brought in for at least another week - even two.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:24 pm 
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I'd say it's a certainty that Setanta is making way this week - a shame for him really, he's been pretty good since coming back in, just struggled yesterday a bit.

Anyway, if Waite is not ok then bring in Hendo and Kreuzer for Setanta and Waite. However if Waite is ok, I'd bring in Hendo and give Kreuzer another week to get match fitness.

Hammer deserves at least another week - Warnock to come back through the Ants.

I wouldn't be rushing Bower back, as much as I rate him, unless our hand is forced.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:28 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
Are we done with the light blue jumpers now? Can we all move on from that?

Watched the Lions last night. That were so awful it was hard to really get a read on them.

If we keep the ball moving through the midfield in a way that allows them to take time and target Brown, I can't see them getting us. The other one we need to cover tightly is Clark - if Jamo is right and heads to Brown, I guess T-Bird gets Clark?

One more match to go in the baby blue, against Freo later in the year. Especially now that Freo have decided to almost copy our jumpers, they are not purple anymore.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:44 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
Are we done with the light blue jumpers now? Can we all move on from that?

Watched the Lions last night. That were so awful it was hard to really get a read on them.

If we keep the ball moving through the midfield in a way that allows them to take time and target Brown, I can't see them getting us. The other one we need to cover tightly is Clark - if Jamo is right and heads to Brown, I guess T-Bird gets Clark?

One more match to go in the baby blue, against Freo later in the year. Especially now that Freo have decided to almost copy our jumpers, they are not purple anymore.


My wife looked at the jumpers yesterday and thought they were the NSW origin team playing and couldn't believe I'd be missing Carlton v Port.

Then I told her about the away jumper the AFL have forced us to wear, like the white one last year, and she made us all laugh suggesting the baby blue ones looked like pyjamas.

Furthermore, she said Carlton should get a designer for their next jumper (she's inolved in fashion and magazines).

They are terrible. I can't stand them, and looked forward to seeing mud cover up the colour, but that didn't happen.
I guess they are trying to get some of us show a preference for one or the other away jumper (similar to Howards Republican Referendum question) to get us use to an away jumper. That'll never happen...the Dark Navy Blue is it.

I was embarassed for Tuohy and his parents having to watch him play in his pj's. Such a weak colour.

Agree with Punter: Clark is looking dangerous and it is typical of Brisbane to have 2 main targets in their forwardline and main theose 2 are. Gotta win it in the middle and hit 'em hard too. Hope Jammo is good to play.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:50 pm 
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The Spornstar wrote:
I'd say it's a certainty that Setanta is making way this week - a shame for him really, he's been pretty good since coming back in, just struggled yesterday a bit.

Anyway, if Waite is not ok then bring in Hendo and Kreuzer for Setanta and Waite. However if Waite is ok, I'd bring in Hendo and give Kreuzer another week to get match fitness.

Hammer deserves at least another week - Warnock to come back through the Ants.

I wouldn't be rushing Bower back, as much as I rate him, unless our hand is forced.


I agree that Setanta will be a likely replacement, but I wouldn't be so confident in Hammer keeping his spot.
Playing Warnock in the twos will create a hunger for warnock, it could work.

What I don't agree with was that Setanta struggled yesterday. Struggled with the conditions like every other big man, sure, but he didn't struggle to contest for the ball or to get to the ball.

That first 10 minutes he could have kicked 3 goals if he's steady...if if if.
I thought he was amazing yesterday in that he presented and presented and got to where the ball was going, and where it was. He made things happen. He contested and from that he created oportunities. Spalding like imo.

I'm a big fan of Hammer for the future, but I don't think Hammer would create as many chances for the smalls playing forward as
Setanta did and does. Loose ball opportunities are a by product of Setanta's competitive spirit.

I'm not saying Setanta is a natural footballer and I do see him as a depth player whereas in past years I picked him every week because of his versatlity: our insurance (the perfect sub?).

I have no doubt Hendo and Kreuzer are better forwards than Setanta, and at this stage, I have no doubt that Warnock and Kreuzer are better rucks than both Hammer and Setanta.

Good luck to the MC and I'm backing them to continue their good form.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:55 pm 
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We need to test Thornton before we go playing him in finals. His form has been good.
Give him the job on Brown. Will he spit it after Brown kicks a couple or will he fight back and do the team things ?
Best we find out now.

Bower to come into laidlers role in a couple of weeks. That will give him time to settle and we can see what he has got. Laidler then fights for his spot back.

Great depth blue boys.

Hampson ahead of Warnock for the next few weeks. Let Warnock find form in the two's.

Henda is the hard one to squeeze in.......unless waite is injured.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:56 pm 
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id play setanta on mitch clark! clark would kill thornton! i thought setanta was alright down back!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:22 pm 
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club29 wrote:
We need to test Thornton before we go playing him in finals. His form has been good.
Give him the job on Brown. Will he spit it after Brown kicks a couple or will he fight back and do the team things ?
Best we find out now.


Bower to come into laidlers role in a couple of weeks. That will give him time to settle and we can see what he has got. Laidler then fights for his spot back.

Great depth blue boys.

Hampson ahead of Warnock for the next few weeks. Let Warnock find form in the two's.

Henda is the hard one to squeeze in.......unless waite is injured.


No.
We need to do everything we can to ensure we win games like this to give a decent finals position.
We are not that good yet to start doing those sort of things.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:28 pm 
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I heard on the radio that Waite was walking around the dressing rooms with no ice and no sign of an injury.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:34 pm 
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It seems that the MC have an idea of their best side, and a ranking for potential replacements. Curnow is in the best 22. When he was injured, McLean played. The minute Curnow was ready, he was back in and McLean was out.

With this in mind I expect Touhy to play in the seniors until Laidler is back.

They also clearly have Kreuzer in the best 22 - as far as ruck/forwards are concerned it would appear to be Warnock, Kreuzer, Hammer, O'Hailpin. So, presumably, if all 4 are available they'll go with the top 2 ranked ones.

The question is whether they play Kreuzer as the sub as a way of easing him back into senior football.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:37 pm 
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Hendo for Waite if injured/sore

Otherwise maybe Hendo for Carlos.

Warnock should probably go into twos this week after 2 weeks off.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:49 pm 
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I don't think the MC will make many changes to a winning team, but I'm not the MC. So here goes...

Kruezer for Setanta
Houlihan for Armfield
Hendo for Waite (assuming he's injured)

Then my match-ups would be;
Gibbs to Rich
Carrots to Black
Jamo to Brown
Houlihan to McGrath

We owe this team big. This one still stings......

http://www.foxsports.com.au/breaking-ne ... 1114012380

This was one of the lowest points of the dark years, and a nothing less than a 100+ point victory will begin to ease the pain.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:56 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
club29 wrote:
We need to test Thornton before we go playing him in finals. His form has been good.
Give him the job on Brown. Will he spit it after Brown kicks a couple or will he fight back and do the team things ?
Best we find out now.


Bower to come into laidlers role in a couple of weeks. That will give him time to settle and we can see what he has got. Laidler then fights for his spot back.

Great depth blue boys.

Hampson ahead of Warnock for the next few weeks. Let Warnock find form in the two's.

Henda is the hard one to squeeze in.......unless waite is injured.


No.
We need to do everything we can to ensure we win games like this to give a decent finals position.
We are not that good yet to start doing those sort of things.


I reckon we will win this game either way. If we lose it because Brown has a day out then we are not as good as we think we are and many cogs in the machine failed.

Thorntons form has been good and the game seems to have gone in a way that suits his game style. So far he has beaten pretty average competition and now is the time to test him against the best.
Will he throw his head back stamp his feet and blame others or will he show some maturity? I would prefer to find that out now personally.

I respect what you are saying but that is just the way i would do it and believe Malthouse has done the same thing in the past and got rewards for it.


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