Ellard is averaging 19.4 disposals per game, plus he is laying a mountain of tackles each week. IMO he is doing enough to warrant selection in the side.

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I had a look at the stats and I'm with Rexy.

As for the comment on Brock's disposal, I thought he was ...seriously...hopeless...with his disposal last night. Easy handballs to the man running forward missing, not making the distance and his kicking was shite. This fella is a shadow of his former self. Lets be real about his value to the team. There was a couple of effective disposals, but generally his disposal in general and in comparison to Ellard is baffling.
Ellard is a rookie on the rise and Brock is a pick 5, 100 game costly player on the decline. There's where the comparison sits.

I was really hoping he'd have a night out last night and shut up his detractors. He had his chance to stick it right up 'em.

The Demons fans I was with laughed at his output and believe me Brock was under the microscope. We saw all his efforts and all his flaws.
How good was his set shot early in the game from 35 metres out virtually in front. He had his chance, he was fresh, he knows the ground....yeah right.

I don't think his form warrants selection. The experiment to pick him ahead of Joseph has failed imo, and thank god we have Curnow coming back soon, and rnd 12 when Tuohy can be picked ahead of Brock.

I don't think we should be playing him in the hope he lives up to the size of contract (length and cost) and the 1st round draft pick we gave up for him.

Hope is for losers.
Lets live by the facts.
We have to be ruthless.
We can't carry players.

If we are going to carry Carrazzo's poor disposal (and that's a first from me) in order to gain his strength and smarts, then I'm sorry there's no room for a slow...no damn sooooooooo slow and ineffective Brock. We also have Robbo whose disposal is questionable, and he's not overly quick either, but his endeavour and impact on the game is miles ahead of Brock imo.

We need to pick players on form and talent.
The 3 abovementioned are a liability in terms of disposal skills and have qusetionable speed. Can't play all 3.
Armfield was a liability too, but at least he did something to improve his disposal.

The only thing I was disappointed with Ellard last night was that miss from 40, which he has been able to nail in the past. I can forgive him for that.

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Duigan definitely came back on late in the game, and Ratts didn't seemt o concerned about him after the game.

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The MC wont pick a player just to prove a point. Too much riding on this year. They will be trying to win each game.
Brock will be out as soon as we have a player to replace him or sooner in my opinion.

I wanted him to be a good player for us but it doesnt look like it will be the case.

I think Tuohy should come in.






















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He's gone from being a release option doing bit-part stoppage work, to trying to do more inside work and losing out on both parts of his game. It's in the numbers.

Contested possessions are going up, 1st possession, clearance numbers and so on have remained the same, but disposals have gone down. Inside isn't his go and he doesn't seem to be able to get outside now. Had a ripping game against Adelaide, but the last two games (Geelong and last night) have been below par.

If he's above Brock's level, he's not showing it.

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His numbers are solid jim especially his contested possessions and tackles and his intensity/hardness, along with that of Murphy Duigan Laidler Robbo Curnow this year, has transformed our team this year. We are a team with hardness and resolve.

Let's face facts here. We had Curnow and Ellard in the team, and Judd was still doing his inside work along with Murphy stepping up also. Curnow was great in the clinches, but he wasn't releasing Judd or Murphy, or opening up space for them to work into after the clearance.

Brock's back, and both have been in a bit more space after the stoppage. I think Brock bullocking, blocking and tackling hard as a chop out to Robinson is wearing down their opponents, who in turn aren't wearing Judd & Murphy down as much. Replacing Ellard with Curnow keeps that balance, and adds run & steel to our midfield.

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Facts are the numbers back up Ellards work in close and contribution to the team. To suggest otherwise is doing him a dis-service.

Watching a different game to me Jimmae.

He's gone from being a release option doing bit-part stoppage work, to trying to do more inside work and losing out on both parts of his game. It's in the numbers.

Contested possessions are going up, 1st possession, clearance numbers and so on have remained the same, but disposals have gone down. Inside isn't his go and he doesn't seem to be able to get outside now. Had a ripping game against Adelaide, but the last two games (Geelong and last night) have been below par.

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I don't get it.
How do you come to this conclusion?
What is Brock's level in 2011?
I haven't heard the same level of criticism of Brock directed at Ellard, other than from you now.
I don't think I've missed much this season, but maybe I have....always keen on your views jimmae.

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I missed this post.

There's a cost with all this Brock stuff...and that's the damage his faster opponent will do to us.
Nice description of what might happen, but I don't see it this way at all.
I wasn't impressed with Brock's heavy work against kids last night.
I thought he was slow to react and some times the ball bounced his way when he had missed the first shot at the contested ball...a bit of luck there rather than tough bullocking work.

You may be right jimmae, but that;'s my view.

This whole Brock argument reminds me of the position some one eyed Wiggins fanatics took in Wigglers last couple of years...all based on his toughness and hope he will do this and that, when his pace and skill really lagged behind the level required in the AFL at the time, but he was the best we had available for the tough stuff because that became the only KPI he had to fulfill...but picking him for toughness came at a cost in other departments. In his final year the fans continued to support Wiggler, but they knew his time was up, to the point he was on their list of possible candidates ripe for delisting when we got to the business end of the year.

Overrated imo.

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We have another 9 day break between games. With the bye, over the past month we have really only played 2 games!!!

Big chance over next few weeks to sew up finals spot, then aim for top 4.

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Oh FFS. Why take an opportunity to pot a club legend like Wiggins, just so you can voice your opinion on the internet?

The discussion had nothing to do with Wiggins, but god forbid you don't get to loudmouth your opinion to those who still listen to it?

Disgraceful. It's posts like this on here that show people are more concerned with barracking for themselves and their own opinions, than the club and the boys itself.

PS: Whatever happened to the idea that McLean's output would be reflected in the increase in Murphy and Judd's performances?

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I'd like to see them give Austin a go to replace Laidler this week ahead of Henderson, if he gets through this week unscathed.

The trip home may do him and the confidence playing a shit side may do him the world of good.

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Alf Stewart has more chance of playing than Austin

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I haven't seen the Bullants this year - how is he going?

Not many other options if Russell AND Laidler have to be replaced, outside of rushing Bower back, or stuffing Henderson about, playing him at one end one week, and the other the next.

Reckon Alf would have a flaming left foot on him though, just quietly..

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no idea just thought the place needed some Alf Stewart

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Agreed ! Very good idea.