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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:21 am 
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Well in this instance - I would only be repeating the premiership prophecy that I have already stated on many occasions.

I have no inclination to even consider what the future of those losers will turn out to be - those people that that love to continuously bag our club.

But it doesn't take much to say that it will be more of the same - but said in a more shrill and desperate tone of voice.

Anther thing I have often stated is that following the success of the 17th flag - there will be a much bigger than normal outcry of anti Carlton bias - all rooted in plain old fashioned jealousy and envy.

You just have to be thick skinned enough to take all the crap that they dish up.

I mean even last weekend - I forgot where it was - but they were saying how we were poised for a top 4 finish - but of course it was all due to that team that was 'full of number one draft picks'.

An accurate enough observation - but the implication is that our success is something to be emarrased about - spoken about in the same vein as the draft penalties because of alleged salary cap breaches - when all we have done is select the talent based on the rules that exist - and that we chose as our right - following 3 wooden spoons in 10 years.

They never entertained the fact of where you actually have to finish on the ladder to get a number one draft pick of course - only implying that we are somehow compromised in our top 4 position - because we actually have a number of elite players because of the tough years of the last decade.

They would have never used comments like that with other clubs of course - just Carlton.

It's a clear case of selective reporting and anti carlton bias at work..

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:37 am 
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Boy, this thread is PARANOIA City.

So, not everyone loves us. Shit happens.

HTFU.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:38 pm 
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One minute this thread is about no respect for Carlton because we win only through Judd and how good he is and then in the thread we complain when people say Judd is not the best player. Strange thread - but contribute I will.

Judd is not the complete player. He can't play forward or back, doesn't kick enough goals and kicking efficiency is not brilliant. However how many players win a brownlow first as an outside mid and then an inside mid. How many players are as strong and balanced as Judd and can power away from packs. All players have strengths and weaknesses. Judd is awesome because the combination of his strenghths are arguably the equal of any player in the history of the game.

I think ratts comments on Judd has far more credibility than most commentators he played and watched enough players to make a call.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:19 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
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Rohan Connelly story in the Age manages to put negative spin on our form claiming whole team is riding on Judd's back. While there is some evidence for that view, he did not even mention the 'hard ball' and 'clearance' contribution of Curnow or Ellard on Saturday. But hey, why let the facts or any cursory attempt to research get in the way of slagging Carlton. Flower!


Actually, I think Connolly was pretty measured in his article (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/j ... 1e30l.html). His line is that when Judd plays brilliantly, then we seem to be just a one-man team, and people say Judd's efforts are what makes us win.

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But every time he does so, it also strengthens the perception they stand or fall on his efforts.

There are several factors contributing to Carlton's impressive start to this season, including the new stability of its defence with the addition of recruits Jeremy Laidler and Nick Duigan, and Andrew Walker's reinvention as a dangerous forward.



Not a mention in the article of Ellard Curnow Murph Carrotts Scotto racking up 49 tackles, 58 contested possessions.

Just another lazy 'journo' effort.


Yeah totally agree. The real story is that (we think) Carlton has improved, not that Judd is a champion - we know that already. The real story is that Judd played a pretty similar game to his one in the final last year, but this time we won. Why did we win?

It is 'lazy journalism' and people wheeling out the same tired stories because they know they'll do the trick. I reckon the standard of sports journalism is very low in Aus. The English broadsheets have some really good sports reviews which set good standards and can bring really good context to a match you've just watched. They know how to tell the story of a game. The typical Aussie Rules match review reads like:

"It was a big night for footy and everyone wanted a big match. Carlton kicked the first, and then Sydney answered. Then Sydney kicked a goal, and then another one. It looked tough. Carlton kicked a goal and then Sydney kicked a goal. Sydney kicked another one. And then, it was amazing, Carlton kicked a goal! And then Carlton kicked a goal and won!"

Anyway, I got a bit off topic, sorry.


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all we're asking for....

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:47 pm 
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all we're asking for....


Oh Yea!


Just a little bit!

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:54 pm 
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Not sure you can call that a little bit..

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:36 pm 
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Megaman wrote:
Not sure you can call that a little bit..


bit.....tee-hee
(with apologies to kindest regards. :smile: )

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:48 pm 
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Honestly im more than happy for the media not to talk about us, and not rate us.
Last thing i want is a full double page spread of one of our players so they get a big head... let the players work hard and no need for fan fare, we havent done anything yet. Under the radar is perfect in my opinion.
Let them talk about Bombers, Pies and whoever they want.... we will just go along winning games ( i hope )

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:26 pm 
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Jeez I must have missed a few shows this week. I thought we were reasonably treated after the win. With the possible exception of Juddmania neglecting the efforts of a few others. However I've heard Curnow's name mentioned plenty of times this week, along with Duigan and Laidler.

I have no real complaints at all about how we've been represented this year. Yes, Essendon* is the lvoe chold this year, and I think that's great. I wouldn't want to be the love child. Let the boys keep improving, and let the results speak for themselves. Even this week, it's the St Kilda show. That's great.

Commentators were openly talking about us as being a legitimate top four threat after the Sydney game. Others were not so sure but all agreed there has been clear improvement from last year. I'm not sure what anyone could reasonably expect beyond that.

I think there's a lot of paranoia in this thread.


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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:26 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
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He also thinks Dustin Fletcher is the greatest fullback to ever play the game. Anyone picking up a subtle pro-Essendon bias in his evaluations? :banghead:


I hadn't noticed until you just pointed it out, it was that subtle.


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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:59 pm 
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Respect did happen tonite. :eek: :eek: :eek:
As is being mentioned in another thread..'are we a one man team'.
If you didn't see AFL 360 on Fox tonite..then do try to.
It will warm your heart.
One of the people who has been on my 'Carlton hater..try to avoid his footy call list' is Jared Whately.
He has been so negative and dismissive of us on countless occassions..but not tonite!!
Nope..he is a changed man.
A converted man.
He is FOR Ratts..reckons he is doing a great job, and lining us up for 2012.
Thinks we play as a team..and it is disrespectful to say Judd carries us.
Sees big improvement. Robbo agrees. Robbo has had a crush on us for awhile now.
Sellars thinks Ratts is improving leaps and bounds too. :thumbsup: :grin: :grin:
Stuipid old D. King tried the lazy Judd is the ONLY player routine..and Whately went in to bat for us big time!!
It was great viewing.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:41 pm 
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I love the fact that a player like King, who played in one of the all-time great "no [player], no [team]" teams of all time, you'd think he'd be smart enough to shut the f up.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 7:34 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Respect did happen tonite. :eek: :eek: :eek:
As is being mentioned in another thread..'are we a one man team'.
If you didn't see AFL 360 on Fox tonite..then do try to.
It will warm your heart.
One of the people who has been on my 'Carlton hater..try to avoid his footy call list' is Jared Whately.
He has been so negative and dismissive of us on countless occassions..but not tonite!!
Nope..he is a changed man.
A converted man.
He is FOR Ratts..reckons he is doing a great job, and lining us up for 2012.
Thinks we play as a team..and it is disrespectful to say Judd carries us.
Sees big improvement. Robbo agrees. Robbo has had a crush on us for awhile now.
Sellars thinks Ratts is improving leaps and bounds too. :thumbsup: :grin: :grin:
Stuipid old D. King tried the lazy Judd is the ONLY player routine..and Whately went in to bat for us big time!!
It was great viewing.


Yeah I really enjoyed that too bluegirl .... especially what Sellars said about Ratten .... improving all the time as a person and as a coach, looking more comfortable in the role (paraphrasing).

... and Whately really did go at King over the one man band commentary. Brought a smile.


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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:17 am 
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Jeez I must have missed a few shows this week. I thought we were reasonably treated after the win. With the possible exception of Juddmania neglecting the efforts of a few others. However I've heard Curnow's name mentioned plenty of times this week, along with Duigan and Laidler.

I have no real complaints at all about how we've been represented this year. Yes, Essendon* is the lvoe chold this year, and I think that's great. I wouldn't want to be the love child. Let the boys keep improving, and let the results speak for themselves. Even this week, it's the St Kilda show. That's great.

Commentators were openly talking about us as being a legitimate top four threat after the Sydney game. Others were not so sure but all agreed there has been clear improvement from last year. I'm not sure what anyone could reasonably expect beyond that.

I think there's a lot of paranoia in this thread.


Paranoia is an understatement....it shouldnt matter how others perceive us only how we perceive ourselves....

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:48 am 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
I love the fact that a player like King, who played in one of the all-time great "no [player], no [team]" teams of all time, you'd think he'd be smart enough to shut the f up.


They basically called him on it - said that by that logic he must be embarrased being a passenger in North's two premiership wins because it was basically all Carey winning them games.

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