Well, I laughed.

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Dean Bailey media conference

Sakc Bailey for the Yeah's and what else he threw in at the start of the interview.

Terrible bogan effort by a coach entering his fourth season.

Some treat Carlton like they're a political party and try to keep them accountable on a forum by running an agenda. Yet the same people refuse to have their say in a meaningful way by buying a membership to get a vote.

Spot on, opinion on various issues is a far cry from having an agenda, and agendas are easily identifiable because at every opportunity they are pushed into any issue or argument.

A vote is meaningless when directors are appointed rather than elected...

Agenda?? ...nah I just point out the obvious!

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Surely this article is a beat up - It's only that idiot Ratten that carry's on like this - It cant be true

A closed Practice match session surely all their supporter simply wont sign up - they will be leaving in droves


Wont they

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Ratts the innovator..just what they've been calling for

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I understand some posters are enjoying taking cheap shots instead of adding value to the debate but comparing ourselves to losers instead of winners is the easy way out. It's the same in another thread where Ratten is lauded by comparison with Dean Bailey who is an average media communicator as well. Well if it's good enough for Melbourne, it's good enough for us too, hey?

If you continue to set low standards for yourself, it's pretty easy to achieve them I suppose. How about we compare ourselves to the current premiers? Open training sessions, open practice games, getting out into the community and showing a pro-active intent to achieve their 80,000 members instead of our passive efforts.

It appears it's easier to compare ourselves with the shitbags and run around with a overrated sense of self worth because we did something better than Essendon* or our coach is no worse than the coach of Melbourne.

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I dislike Collingwood as much as the next bloke, but they certainly are at the forefront when it comes to marketing and making their members feel like part of the team.

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And I don't think anyone would deny that.

We still have a long way to go as a whole unit, but I can't see why Ratts should cop blame because he is not a great orator. I'd love it if he was a stirring and striking media performer, but how that would make the team better puzzles me.

I am not in either camp at the moment an will wait and see.
If you find it difficult to get the message across to the outside world then perhaps he might also struggle to get the message across to the inside world which would impact on team performance.
He recently said there were 3 areas that the club needed to improve and one of those was 'communication'.

And he's right...but I tend to think it is more in the communication between club and supporter regarding events, plans etc.

I don't think it's as simple as that.

For many clubs, the senior coach is the figurehead. The person who defines the club to the competition, to the world at large. Think of what Roos did for Sydney. Sheedy all those years for Essendon*. Parkin at Carlton. Unfortunately for Ratts, Carlton doesn't really have that person... so the onus is squarely on him to be something he isn't.

Our president is hopeless with the media. Swann is just a by-the-numbers administrator, hardly club-defining. So everyone looks to Ratten. And he's just not very good at it.

But again, the question for me is: if you can't string coherent sentences together, and you always sound less than completely cogent... then you don't sound all that intelligent. And intelligence is a trait that I think a senior coach really needs nowadays. Not just footy-smarts, but actual smarts. It's just too complex a task otherwise.

And that latter point is what I really care about. But as I've said before, Ratten may defy his public perception and actually BE highly intelligent. He just doesn't sound it, that's all. And I don't think it's traitorous to hold that view. Just because he was a great player for us, and cares deeply, doesn't necessarily mean he gets unqualified support. I have genuine reservations that I hope are proven wrong.

Well I liken Ratts to Barak Obama.

Ratts can't talk to save himself, but I believe he is a good coach who has the potential to be great coach.

Barack Obama is a brilliant orator but is a shizen President.

I prefer a doer rather than a sayer [except if the sayer is leo].

Yeah, see, for me...I think Roos is an ok bloke in the media, not brilliant, Sheeds gave me the #$%^$% for years with his meanderings. I find Malthouse rude (although not when he is not in press conferences), and Williams set my teeth on edge.

Yeah, but those guys inspired confidence when they spoke. You don't have to like them (especially as an opposition supporter) but they bring you along for the ride.

Of the new brigade, both Scotts will be the same, as will Buckley. I don't trust Hird's ego-management enough to say whether or not he'll present well.

Good call John M I think your view is where I was getting at in my earlier post -coaching is a multi-functional task -where you need to be intelligent/strategic enough to balance the varied and competing interests of various club stakeholders(sponsors members fans the AFL ET AL) -manage a coaching team -manage the football team- be the public face of the club

The issue goes deeper than the fact that Ratts is a bit inarticulate -As i said the other day I hate clarkson but if you talk to him he is an intelligent guy - Damian Hardwick isnt greatly savy with the media but if you talk to him he has more than merely footy smarts

Neither are going to become members of Mensa but are what I call thinkers and not just about the game


Percy Jones in another era and different circumstances was appointed coach -once again a great carlton icon(brilliant performance in 72 GF) but I had great reservations about him as a coach -Ratts is different to Percy but

Like John M I hope Im entirely wrong with Ratts

I dont have an agenda and if Ratts gets us to top 4 at the end of the year then I will happily admit I am wrong

Hopefully both the Board and CEO whilst obviously supporting Ratts to the hilt are continuing to assess Ratts on the basis that modern coaching is about the ability to multi- task in an intelligent and strategic way

So he said that and then in the next few days the club has an intra club practice match and the players are all wearing different numbers and when you get the team sheet it has names and no numbers. I reckon that was the first opportunity for him to ensure he was doing his bit.

Totally agree with that comment woof, but that is the different side of the "communication" issue to the one about whether Ratts presents well to the media.

The days are well gone where the coach can concentrate on the playing group and that's it.
He needs to inspire confidence in the corporate supporters, members and potential members. IMO, he doesn't. As JohnM stated, the coach is the figurehead of the club.
I've had a couple of dealings with the bloke at Spirit of Carlton functions and club corporate events and he was poor. It's not just about communication, it's about making people feel welcome and he failed miserably.

I'll give you an example which I may have offered previously. I contributed some sponsorship to the Spirit of Carlton golf day and few years ago. For your money, you get to play golf with a past and present player and dine with them. I invited a colleague who was very keen on Carlton and looking to get involved as a sponsor. I played golf with Ratten (Who from memory was an assistant coach) and a young player who I wont name.
After the golf game, we sat down to eat. Ratten and the young player were allocated to our table with another assistant coach and an ex player. As everyone took their seats, Ratten looked across the room, saw a spare seat next to another past player and walked off. He didn't give a fat rats clacker that he had responsibilities to supporters of the club. The young player looked at Ratten, assessed his options, saw a seat next to one of his mates and walked off.
The other assistant coach (who is gone), shook his head and apologised for their piss poor efforts. Obviously the bloke I took along with a view to contributing to the club wasn't impressed.

I've had a couple of other dealings with the bloke at club functions and his demeanor towards the suporters is poor. He treats the supporters as a neccesity that needs to be tolerated and that's it AFAIC.
That was OK when Ratten was a player but the AFL has gone well past that. I laugh about Ratten and Sticks talking about "the Carlton way". The Carlton way is a bullshit reminiscence that belongs in the past with Elliott and brown paper bags.

We need to be a progressive club that strives to be proactive in supporter management, corporate attractiveness and cutting edge football technology. Does anyone really think we're anything but reactive in any of those fields?

I dont want Ratts lambasted or sacked but I want to see signs that's he's improving in the areas he's severely lacking in. I'm seeing nothing but a continuance of the same contempt.

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