They were pathetic tonight. No sugarcoating or acceptance of mediocrity

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Although we come back in the last quarter it was still a pathetic performance

freo took the foot off the pedal in the last when game was over.

One thing i learnt tonite is that Thornton shouldn't ruck and Sauce shouldnt ruck against sandilands ever again.

Firstly to the moron in the stands who thought it would be a good idea call the umpires disgraceful at 1/4 time, you, sir, are a complete flower. the free kick count was 8-5 in our favour. we got 1 free kick in the second 1/4. Good move

really, just a very insipid performance. Its the same old criticisms that come up time and again.

No-one wants to work for each other. We would seriously have to be the worst team at 1%ers in the league. Tackles are not 1%ers. try shepherding or blocking for each other in the forward line. we just refuse to do it. Too many players looking to rack up disposals rather than do the hard things. Carrazzo being the chief offender of this.

Too many players just not good enough.

Houlihan. Floats in and out of games like he always has. always does some nice things every couple of weeks, but never on a consistent basis. when is enough going to be enough?

Thornton. has this guy ever hit a @#$%&! target by foot? too slow, weak in the air, poor disosal and slow decision maker. simply not good enough.

Carrazzo. Again poor disposer of the ball. can do a job but too often turns the ball over. runs ahead of the ball lookin for easy stats. Doesn't do the hard things aften enough. I reckon he is a show pony, and I can't wait until the day comes where he can'tget a game.

Aaron Joseph. AJ was a break out last year as a tagger and a bloody good one. What is he this year? The sweeper? If so, he is terrible at it. His sidestep is shithouse. how many times does heget caught hold in the ball? decision making is very slow and usually poor. skills are average. not up to it at the moment

Hadley is a plodder with poor skills, and offers little to this side

Walker is a good honest trier, but he doesn't have a football brain. An athlete playin footy, athleticism can only get you so far.

Now obviously all the prolems can't be solved overnight, but at some point you nedd to work out who is going to take you forward and who is just making up the numbers. unfortunately I think we still have far too many in the latter category.

The greatest concern of all though is the general malaise that seems to run through this side. The attitude across the board is terrible. No-one wants to do thehard things, they just want to be on the end of it. We play as a team of individuals and until this is addressed we are going no-where.

As the saying goes the fish rots at the head

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I'm not overly disappointed. The guys busted a gut and that's what you want to see.

Our forward structure is woeful... unfortunately in last nights game considering the inside 50's; we needed a power forward.

Waite is a rebounding-swingman next to Bower.

Henderson will be ok as a second string forward but nothing more than that this stage.

WE need a big-bad-target that can consistently take grabs in our forward 50.

Thornton should be left at FF for the rest of the year.

Its totally unacceptable for a player to not put in

In the early going Freo had something like 28 contested possessions to our 5
It aint good enough

Gary Ablett was told 3 years ago in front of the playing group he needed to train harder get fitter
He did and look what happened.
Gibbs is in his 4th season
No more excuses
With Murphy out and Kreuzer going down Gibbs and others needed to step up in what was a crucial game
They didnt
Guys like Simmo Judd and Joseph leave little in the tank by games end
But we have too many passengers
The Johnstone scenario is relevant
He didnt improve and Melbourne in the end gave him away for little
Your comment is typical of the old Carlton arrogance

































Thing is Mrs Caz we are soft. Last nights game proved that and if the MC need to send a message to all players that half hearted efforts wont be tolerated.
Bryce is a classy player but I personally was very disappointed with his efforts last night.

Bryce didnt have the best of games...it wasnt all that bad either. Unfortunately he missed those three goals inside 50 which hurt...but he'll learn from it.

But I'll agree with you - he will be a 100 game player next year and needs to show a little more.

Very frustrating night all round.

I said it a long while ago but at ground level the Freo players looked so much bigger physically than our guys. Having guys like Mundy, Pavlich and Barlow around the ball made us look so small. Same against sides like Geelong, C'wood, Hawthorn. Plus someone needs to help Judd or his career will be over sooner rather than later.

Garlett, Yarran and Betts need to put their heads over the ball. Too many times they try to do the tricky thing instead of putting their body in. It's okay in broken play or space but not when the game is tight. They also need to dramatically improve their endurance and have have spells up the field, we are too predictable otherwise. Sides are now dropping numbers back, clogging up space and we have no answer.

Question marks need to made on several players as to whether they can take us to the top. If not, gone!

Team selection worried me. Not to have an extra big man that can take the ruck and also push forward to create some space and a target for our forward thrusts and bring our smalls into play. To play Thornton as a swingman is wrong. If he is not in our best defence then he shouldnt be in. Houlihan either plays forward or nowhere. Too slow for defence. Waite needs to be an X factor player. Should be part of midfield where he can drift back and forward where needed. Great engine and we need his size around ball ala Pavlich.

Does Ratten have any answers to opposition tactics?

Some positives though:

Thought Jacobs battled well against all odds.
Lucas showed his class.
Disagree with people re: Gibbs. Watch him closely and he never stops working and presenting. Just never going to be an in and under player.
Bower and Walker will be part of the next great defence.
Henderson efforts were fantastic. Like to see him play deeper though.
Kruezer will get a much needed rest. Been worried about our overuse of him. Hopefully he can put some bulk on and be back better than ever.

Going to Bullants today to have a close look at Robinson, Austin, Grigg, Hampson, Warnock, Ellard, Anderson, White, McLean etc. Hopefully a few will push their cases.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

The commentators brought up two key points

1) use the corridor - don't attack the forward line around boundary line
2) play on football after a mark...

As much as Armfield has weaknesses - at least he plays on and ATTACKS the game, players like Thornton and Houlihan are plodders who prefer to go back, put the ball up in the air and say look at me I took a mark and slow down the game. There is no room for plodders... only room for play on football. Get the players in that can do that

In: White, OH

Out: pretty much anyone in the team except Judd, Gibbs, Betts, Lucas and a few others.

Just want to add No goals from the Mid's really hurt us.

Hadley is a dud and should never pull on a carlton jumper ever again
Carrazzo had an absolute shocker..
Lucas was getting a bit of a 'bronx cheer' i where I was sitting. :S

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Carrazzo was one of the few willing to take a man on and then deliver up the ground. He had two howlers, one where he fumbled the ball and another where he passed it straight to the Freo player. His mistakes where certainly no worse or more numerous than others' and his good work was better than most. Oh AND he was accountable to a man and that man happened to be Freo's best player Pavich who had a foot and 20 kgs on Carrazzo but was held to 21 largely ineffective disposals. But hey Carrazzo was woeful, can't kick, definitely played a major part in our loss.

The person who said I can't wait until Carrazzo can't get a game first of all that just reeks of bias and second of all you'll be waiting a long long time so suck it up.

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Can't tell you how much this game reminded me of the Goldie game last yr - Freo always 3-4 goals in front, a late surge by the Blues, wasted chances etc. Mirror image. Perspective - about 7 or so rounds later we beat them @ Subi coming from behind.

I was proud of the lads, nothing went right but they kept at it. No Murph, Krooze going down, these No 1's were sorely missed against a bona fide top 4 team.

Looking forward to seeing Grigga and possibly Ellard in to help Juddy in next few weeks. Robbo's physicality could also come in handy.

Hads tries hard, but isn't the future IMHO. FFS, let Grigga have a crack at his role! More of the same from Houla and Robbo has his spot too.

We have a great chance of winning the next 3 and all of the sudden we're back on track - refer what we did after the break last year.

Some fine tuning needed, all is not lost.

Carrazzo 15 kicks 11 handpasses 2 tackles- looks like he really took a man on ( I thought he was getting pleanty of cheapies)

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If Ellard isnt promoted and picked against Brisbane then Ratts is clueless

just finished watching that game again there is no way we should have lost that game we outplayed them all over the park except on the scoreboard

It reminded me of some of the games played in the bad old days under Pagan

Need a bit of a re think Ratts - teams are sitting back aiting for us to turn it over and hurt us on the rebound

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Carrots made errors last night, but he had plenty of mates. We had something like 59% kicking efficiency across the team.

Factor this in - no Murph, I suspect Ratts told him to fill his role and try and create in his absence, which involves more risk and a greater chance of turnovers. Cut him some slack.

Man on as in he baulked a few times and created space for himself and delivered up the field. Not sure what you're trying to say those stats prove other than he got more of the ball than Pavlich who he played on most of the night. Any cheapies Carrazzo gets come out of hard running to position AFTER he's made sure his man doesn't get it, you obviously fail to see the big picture. He's done this to the opps best player week in week out. Quite simply, if you want to point the finger, he's the last person I'd be doing it to.

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You want the flame? Give us the marbles!!

We have come full circle from the first Brisbane game, just in time for the next Brisbane game.

We are soft and the reason Hendo tried hard and chases is because he was no trained at Carlton by our coaches where that is apparently not important

Gibbs - he is very disappointing right now, no where near where he should be.

Richmond will beat us!

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I will miss you Kouta - thanks for the memories. ps. Kouta > * for ∞

I would not be confident against anyone next week, let alone the Lions and Fev on the rebound!!

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You want the flame? Give us the marbles!!

As most of you know I generally don't pick us to win because we aren't good enough to put away teams that we should, but I tipped us to win last night comfortably because I thought that we surely couldn't put in 2 pathetic games in a row.
Low and behold they let us down again.... Disgusted!
This part of the draw is meant to be our easiest and we keep slipping up... Kruzer season... What a crap night

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Matty Kruzer you star!

i have let the dust settle and for some reason am feeling ok about the loss last night.

7 wins-6 losses, would've taken that. We dominated big patches of the game, just were let down by our forward structure. The last 2 losses will really ease the pressure on our boys coming into the back end of the year, will no longer have lofty expectations, or be favourites. Top 4 IMO was never a realistic thought, lets just have a small break, get our shit together, freshen up and burn some over-rated sides in the run home and lets grab spots 5-6 and nab a home final.

I'm right behind you fella's, yes some players have bad games on occasions but thats reality, they're not robots.

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